Quote:Firstly - I'm not a staunch Bradley supporter. I was a fan prior to the rash of game management gaffs and the drop in adequate play from the defensive back 7. Now I'm skeptical but optimistic.
I think he has a really, really young team and he can get better along with them. Caldwell/Khan knew his lack of experience may rear it's ugly head at times.
Answering your question - If he continues to make bad decisions on the sideline as the season continues - can't scrape out a few wins - and begins to lose the faith of his players - then Caldwell has to at least consider a change. I don't think any of those things will happen, much less all three.
That's just my opinion. I know many of you disagree.
Nope, I actually don't. To be honest, your definitions are pretty much a qualitative approach that seems fair and logical. I actually subscribe to your approach as well. Even if on Sundays I may be a bit more vocal regarding my disappointments and weaknesses as I see them. I think your point regarding "losing the locker room" is also something to be very aware of as the season goes forward. If the players really begin catching on (which I have a feeling may just happen starting this week) then the team can build some momentum.
But if we hit 0-8, the players that have been here last year may very well lose confidence in the "rah-rah" positivity/competition/get better every day mantras. If that happens, we could be in trouble.
Based on your qualitative points regarding the coaching staff, I would puts a quantitative bench mark of 4 wins as being a sign that the coaches aren't figuring it out and are hanging themselves. But that's just me.
Will I freak out if Bradley is back after another 4-12 season? No. I'll be very concerned but will still be positive come Sunday. All we can do at this moment is evaluate and judge based on what we've seen so far.
There has been some positives, there's no doubt about it. It's just a matter of it translating to wins. The main concern is that the coaches are not experienced/talented enough to figure out how to maximize what we have.
Quote:Number of points scored doesn't tell the whole story.
LOL. OK. I don't watch the sqeelers. But from the game they played against us, Big Ben Party Boy has looked very mediocre. The guy has very little to no accuracy. That offense of theirs shouldn't scare anybody.
Quote:Yes, because the two sports are almost identical.
The team results are.
You're saying Khans reactions are different because the sport themselves are different? Ok.
Quote:They are not. The point was the steelers we just lost too was dominated by a medicore browns team.
LOL at the Browns being medicore, they blew the season opener and the game against Baltimore.
They could easily be 5-0 right now.
Quote:Number of points scored doesn't tell the whole story.
Quote:You have to stick to the plan...It was not announced as a two year plan and you don't abandon the plan in the second year of a multi year plan...You will get nowhere doing that
Right cause the plan is making real progress now. I'm not smart enough to see how bad this team looks.
The question to the OP? How much can we take as fans. I did not expect much. Like a 6-10.
That would have been a mild increase in wins and looking good going into 2015.
Now we will have to win 6 out of 10 just to get to 6-10. This season is almost a disaster.
2015 is the season circled on the calender to be a playoff contender.
What happens this year is irrelevant. Nothing is going to happen to Gus or Caldwell until they miss the 2015 goal.
In business it doesn't matter if the process is uglier than expected as long as it reaches the set goal.
If you abandon a process whenever it faces adversity, nothing would ever get accomplished. Khan understands this perfectly.
If the Jets let Rex Ryan loose I hope we can bring him in at the very least as the defensive coordinator. As crappy as the Jets may look at times they can at least run the ball at an average level and play decent defense.
Quote:2015 is the season circled on the calender to be a playoff contender.
What happens this year is irrelevant. Nothing is going to happen to Gus or Caldwell until they miss the 2015 goal.
In business it doesn't matter if the process is uglier than expected as long as it reaches the set goal.
If you abandon a process whenever it faces adversity, nothing would ever get accomplished. Khan understands this perfectly.
In what reality will this team compete for a playoff spot next year? Seriously.
And it's difficult to trust the "process " when it hasnt achieved a lot of goals. Every move at LB has been a whiff so far. Toby's bad, Beadles is bad..... I could go on, but blake is the only evidence of the success of this "process"
And props to Mike Dempsey for calling out Cyp a bit. Nobody gets more credit for doing so little.
Quote:Right cause the plan is making real progress now. I'm not smart enough to see how bad this team looks.
well let's see...the defense has already had more sacks, they have finally stopped the revolving of players at center, they have cut some players that did not produce, they are having far less 3 and outs, we haven't had a passing game for years, but now we do...I see that as progress... Wins and progress are not always the same thing
I can liken the building of this team to building a house...First you build the foundation, the you add the walls etc. etc. etc...You can't just skip steps in the plan and expect the house to turn out well...In year 2 of the multi year build you are still building the foundation...You must have a solid foundation or the house will fall...
Follow the plan until it's duration and then you can see how good or bad it is...
People need to realize on year 2 of a total rebuild, not much can be expected...
Quote:It doesn't really matter because we weren't likely playoff bound anyway, but I think we can all (hopefully) agree that Bortles sitting the first few weeks really wasn't going to make a difference. The kid is a stud and 100 times the QB Henne has ever been and ever will be. The notion that he would "play when he was ready" is totally arbitrary, vague, and dumb. "Look he's playing now so that's when they decided he was ready! This was their plan all along! Perfect!" Yeah... So he was ready at halftime of the Colts game but not before the game? Give me a break.
I'm just glad Gus realized his mistake, that Henne was absolute trash (although he did much later than just about everyone else in the football watching world) and swallowed his pride to name the kid the starter. Should've been a no brainer from day one. And I think that was the first huge error that has resulted in a ton of snowballing displeasure for Bradley in 2014.
I still find it laughable that people thought we could crack the playoffs with Chad Henne playing. It's like people all of a sudden forgot who he was.
Quote:I still find it laughable that people thought we could crack the playoffs with Chad Henne playing. It's like people all of a sudden forgot who he was.
I laugh because most people were in total support of Caldwell's long term plan last year, and were even saying that we wouldn't be a contender until year 3...Now in year 2 people have flip flopped
Quote:In what reality will this team compete for a playoff spot next year? Seriously.
And it's difficult to trust the "process " when it hasnt achieved a lot of goals. Every move at LB has been a whiff so far. Toby's bad, Beadles is bad..... I could go on, but blake is the only evidence of the success of this "process"
The only LB vet they brought in with any thoughts to being part of the future was Dakota Watson. He hasn't been healthy yet this year. Toby hasn't been good, but none of the RB's have gotten anything consistent from this line. Beadles actually didn't look too bad the last game.
Blake is definitely progress at QB. Bowanko and Linder showed progress the last two weeks on the Oline. Robinson is progress at WR. Harbor is progress at TE. The Dline has made tremendous strides this year. McCray has made progress.
You're blind if you don't see the progress that's been shown the past 3 weeks.
The reason you're mad is because the progress hasn't shown in the wins column. I'm frustrated like you are, but at least I can see what's happening instead of just ignoring everything that's going on.
Quote:I laugh because most people were in total support of Caldwell's long term plan last year, and were even saying that we wouldn't be a contender until year 3...Now in year 2 people have flip flopped
Exactly. People wanted to see progress, but are now blind to the progress that's been shown over the last 3 weeks simply because the wins haven't come yet.
I think some people let the media get to their heads when a few of them had us as a dark horse team in the playoffs this year.
Quote:In what reality will this team compete for a playoff spot next year? Seriously.
And it's difficult to trust the "process " when it hasnt achieved a lot of goals. Every move at LB has been a whiff so far. Toby's bad, Beadles is bad..... I could go on, but blake is the only evidence of the success of this "process"
So you think you are psychic now?
They haven't set "a lot of goals" for this season.
See this is the problem. People like you foolishly set your own personal goals for them this season. They aren't working your process. They never went to you and asked for what goals you would like to see them achieve by this point in the season nor did they agree to abide by your goals.
They knew better than to set goals in the middle of a process because improvement isn't always tangible until you get towards the end.
Your mistake was setting your own premature goals and timeline and expecting someone else to live up to them. Unless you are in some position of authority life doesn't work that way. You are insignificant in their process. You schedules and expectations are completely immaterial.
Quote:Dude, your grandfather is probably Chuck Noll's age. Maybe great-grandfather....
Any examples from the most recent past few decades? lolz
It is an example of a Coach who started out with a losing record who ended up being a pretty good coach because the team stuck with him.
Quote:I still find it laughable that people thought we could crack the playoffs with Chad Henne playing. It's like people all of a sudden forgot who he was.
Because replacing him with a immeasurably better QB has completely turned around our fortunes?
It's like people all of a sudden expected the QB alone to solve all our problems.
Unfortunately, our problems run much deeper than just QB... which was the point all along. Changing QBs wouldn't change the W/L column. All eyes were on the QB, but they completely missed what was/was not going on with the rest of the team. We're still 1-2 OL, 1-2 LB, 1-2 CB, and a running game away. QB is a HUGE item to check off the list and probably the most important, but there's still more work to do. The good in that is we've got the most important piece.
This division is starved for a legitimate playoff contender. clots win the division simply by suiting up. It certainly isn't because they're some playoff powerhouse that's contending for Super Bowls.
That isn't who they are. They are a team that isn't even challenged right now in the division.
Contrast our team now with what JDR had... a team without a QB that made the playoffs twice. Insert Bortles for the Leftwich draft, and good grief what a good run we would probably STILL be on. It's only now, we've got Bortles and little else... the exact opposite situation. He's not going to get all the help he needs overnight, nor should that be expected (unfortunately.)
Quote:This is like Deja Vu with the Gene Smith era
I and some of the fans were saying the plan is not working and it turns out we were totally right.
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The "smart guys" who were telling us to stick with the plan, it will work, etc etc
This is revisionist history. The "smart guys" were saying wait and see. The "smart guys" were saying 1 to 2 years is too early to tell.
And it's just like what is going on now. No one is claiming Bradley will be the GOAT coach. There are people saying he should be fired after 22 games and people saying you need more time to more accurately make that determination.
The reading comprehension on this board is pathetically out of control.