Quote:It is an example of a Coach who started out with a losing record who ended up being a pretty good coach because the team stuck with him.
That was your grandfather's NFL.
It's not the same NFL today.
Things are different.
How many bad losing seasons do you think a head coach should get in today's NFL?
I'm not saying fire Gus, but just how many more low single digit win seasons should Gus get before it has to be considered?
This season looks like #2 for low single digit wins, so........................... How many more does he get?
I know it's way early, but what if season #3 is another low single digit win? If the team shows vast improvement next year then great, but what if they don't?
Does he come back for a 4th season?
Quote:This is revisionist history. The "smart guys" were saying wait and see. The "smart guys" were saying 1 to 2 years is too early to tell.
And it's just like what is going on now. No one is claiming Bradley will be the GOAT coach. There are people saying he should be fired after 22 games and people saying you need more time to more accurately make that determination.
The reading comprehension on this board is pathetically out of control.
Too many canned responses from the usual suspects. So many words used to say absolutely nothing. It's almost like a blind Mad Lib. Just insert different names in the same old recycled mindless rants.
Quote:People like you foolishly set your own personal goals for them this season. They aren't working your process. They never went to you and asked for what goals you would like to see them achieve by this point in the season nor did they agree to abide by your goals.
Your mistake was setting your own premature goals and timeline and expecting someone else to live up to them. Unless you are in some position of authority life doesn't work that way. You are insignificant in their process. You schedules and expectations are completely immaterial.
This just needs to be reiterated.
How patient will Khan be is the question.
I am pretty sure he will NOT be as patient as WW. and that's a great thing for Jags fans.
A great thing indeed.
"Today's NFL". lol
You mean a bunch of fans that think they know everything because they have 12 camera angles and constant internet info.
Quote:It is an example of a Coach who started out with a losing record who ended up being a pretty good coach because the team stuck with him.
yeah, almost fifty years ago.
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And it's just like what is going on now. No one is claiming Bradley will be the GOAT coach. There are people saying he should be fired after 22 games
I haven't seen anyone say that Bradley should be fired
this week.
Potentially at seasons end?....yes.
Quote:Because replacing him with a immeasurably better QB has completely turned around our fortunes?
It's like people all of a sudden expected the QB alone to solve all our problems.
Unfortunately, our problems run much deeper than just QB... which was the point all along. Changing QBs wouldn't change the W/L column. All eyes were on the QB, but they completely missed what was/was not going on with the rest of the team. We're still 1-2 OL, 1-2 LB, 1-2 CB, and a running game away. QB is a HUGE item to check off the list and probably the most important, but there's still more work to do. The good in that is we've got the most important piece.
This division is starved for a legitimate playoff contender. clots win the division simply by suiting up. It certainly isn't because they're some playoff powerhouse that's contending for Super Bowls.
That isn't who they are. They are a team that isn't even challenged right now in the division.
Contrast our team now with what JDR had... a team without a QB that made the playoffs twice. Insert Bortles for the Leftwich draft, and good grief what a good run we would probably STILL be on. It's only now, we've got Bortles and little else... the exact opposite situation. He's not going to get all the help he needs overnight, nor should that be expected (unfortunately.)
I didn't think that Bortles would immediately change the losses to wins. But playing him did do exactly what I thought it would: make us competitive. That single change has allowed us to see what our real weaknesses are, and we've played the last three games competitively. We honestly had chances to beat the Steelers and were one play away last week.
That's the difference of having Henne vs Bortles. Bortles allows you to see what the real weaknesses of the team are and it immediately made the games we played in competitive.
Quote:yeah, almost fifty years ago.
I haven't seen anyone say that Bradley should be fired this week.
Potentially at seasons end?....yes.
Again with the reading comprehension. I didn't claim anyone was saying to fire him today or this week.
There are people (including you) who have said Bradley needs to be fired. He's only coached 22 games. Therefore, after 22 games, several posters have decided it's time to fire Bradley. That is exactly the same as saying "There are people saying he should be fired after 22 games" .
The discussion regarding Bradley's competence and Khan's patience hasn't been couched in terms of "potentially" or "if this, then that". While you may be discussing his firing as a "potential" and that may be understood and implicit
to you, let's not act like some of the other posters are putting that much thought into their posts. There are some on this board who've already decided Bradley needs to go and if it doesn't happen by seasons end, Khan is accepting of mediocrity.
Quote:Again with the reading comprehension. I didn't claim anyone was saying to fire him today or this week.
There are people (including you) who have said Bradley needs to be fired. He's only coached 22 games. Therefore, after 22 games, several posters have decided it's time to fire Bradley. That is exactly the same as saying "There are people saying he should be fired after 22 games" .
The discussion regarding Bradley's competence and Khan's patience hasn't been couched in terms of "potentially" or "if this, then that". While you may be discussing his firing as a "potential" and that may be understood and implicit to you, let's not act like some of the other posters are putting that much thought into their posts. There are some on this board who've already decided Bradley needs to go and if it doesn't happen by seasons end, Khan is accepting of mediocrity.
I'm saying Bradley needs to go at anything less than a 4-12 record at this point, combined with what I have already seen in the first 22 games from Bradley.
This suggests that for Bradley to stay, we need to see significant improvement from him as a head coach from now until that point.
THats a fair statement by me and those who agree with a similar stance.
My point is you got to be able to show patience. You have to look at the big picture.
I still believe Gus should have a bit more time but if for some reason we do go 0-16(which i doubt) then we might be in the market for yet another HC
Quote:I still believe Gus should have a bit more time but if for some reason we do go 0-16(which i doubt) then we might be in the market for yet another HC
You really use "might" in that context if we finish 0-16???
LOL....only here....
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Yeah knowing the Jags we will pull the trigger and start over again
Im scared of more and more rebuilding... But more than likely will happen.
Quote:Yeah knowing the Jags we will pull the trigger and start over again Im scared of more and more rebuilding... But more than likely will happen.
We've been rebuilding for so long I have almost forgotten what it's like to not be rebuilding.
Maybe they're tanking for the 1st round pick. Isn't that what everyone on here always wants?
Quote:My point is you got to be able to show patience. You have to look at the big picture.
Please explain, in layman's terms, exactly what the big picture is.
Is it Super Bowl?
Is it a deep playoff run?
Is it just making the playoffs?
Is it winning the division?
Is it a non losing (8-8) record?
It CAN'T be anything less than 1 of those or it wouldn't be the big picture.
So what exactly is it?
Quote:We've been rebuilding for so long I have almost forgotten what it's like to not be rebuilding.
It's true, and I feel the same way, but I'm trying to remind myself (and others) that in reality this rebuild started January 8th, 2013.
That's when Caldwell was named GM and that's when this new process started.
Quote:You really use "might" in that context if we finish 0-16???
LOL....only here....
Truth is, he won't be fired if that happens. Sorry that disappoints you so. But then... it's you.
It would be dumb to fire Bradley after only 2 years. This organization needs some stability. We have the youngest team in the NFL, we are headed in the right direction. It is going to be OK, I just hope it is soon... lol