10-02-2014, 02:30 PM
Quote:Actually... No set amount of time is exactly what indefinite means.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indefinite
Bingo!
10-02-2014, 02:30 PM
10-02-2014, 02:39 PM
Anyone interested in the policies, below is a link.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/me...Policy.pdf
"Any player who has been suspended under Stage Three may apply formally in writing for
reinstatement no sooner than 60 days before the one-year anniversary date of the letter so
suspending him."
60 days before 1 yr anniversary. He was suspended Nov 1st 2013.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/me...Policy.pdf
"Any player who has been suspended under Stage Three may apply formally in writing for
reinstatement no sooner than 60 days before the one-year anniversary date of the letter so
suspending him."
60 days before 1 yr anniversary. He was suspended Nov 1st 2013.
10-02-2014, 02:39 PM
All football aside, this is great news.
That is the way to do the right thing Justin. :yes:
That is the way to do the right thing Justin. :yes:
10-02-2014, 02:45 PM
Quote:Bingo!
The NFL can't just suspend someone for however long they feel like. Indefinite term is used because the suspension is not over until the player meets the NFL requirements. It is 1 year to the rest of your life if you never meet the requirements to reapply. It has nothing to do with the NFL deciding to make the suspension longer. The reinstatement rules and conditions are clear cut and if you meet those, the NFL has to reinstate you, they can't say no and decide to suspend you 1 more year.
10-02-2014, 02:47 PM
Quote:The NFL can't just suspend someone for however long they feel like. Indefinite term is used because the suspension is not over until the player meets the NFL requirements. It is 1 year to the rest of your life if you never meet the requirements to reapply. It has nothing to do with the NFL deciding to make the suspension longer. The reinstatement rules and conditions are clear cut and if you meet those, the NFL has to reinstate you, they can't say no and decide to suspend you 1 more year.Bingo! :teehee:
10-02-2014, 02:47 PM
Quote:The NFL can't just suspend someone for however long they feel like. Indefinite term is used because the suspension is not over until the player meets the NFL requirements. It is 1 year to the rest of your life if you never meet the requirements to reapply. It has nothing to do with the NFL deciding to make the suspension longer. The reinstatement rules and conditions are clear cut and if you meet those, the NFL has to reinstate you, they can't say no and decide to suspend you 1 more year.Go check Ray Rice....
10-02-2014, 02:50 PM
Quote:Go check Ray Rice....He was not suspended under Stage 3 of the substance abuse policy. You would have to look up conduct policy to see when and if he can be reinstated and if is suspension is permanent.
10-02-2014, 02:52 PM
Quote:He was not suspended under Stage 3 of the substance abuse policy. You would have to look up conduct policy to see when and if he can be reinstated and if is suspension is permanent.Yes. Thats all good and fine if Blackmon were just suspended for the Stage 3. He was suspended for that and suspended indefinitely. Indefinitely meaning that they don't know when he's going to come back. There is no set time.
If there were a set time for these things, then they would have no need to say "indefinite". They would tell you exactly when he come come back.
Ray Rice was initially suspended 2 games and then got suspended indefinitely.
10-02-2014, 03:00 PM
Quote:Yes. Thats all good and fine if Blackmon were just suspended for the Stage 3. He was suspended for that and suspended indefinitely. Indefinitely meaning that they don't know when he's going to come back. There is no set time.
If there were a set time for these things, then they would have no need to say "indefinite". They would tell you exactly when he come come back.
Ray Rice was initially suspended 2 games and then got suspended indefinitely.
Tanard Jackson is the better example.
10-02-2014, 03:02 PM
Quote:Yes. Thats all good and fine if Blackmon were just suspended for the Stage 3. He was suspended for that and suspended indefinitely. Indefinitely meaning that they don't know when he's going to come back. There is no set time.There is no suspended indefinitely in the policy. Under stage 3 (which Blackmon was found guilty of breaking) you are not suspeneded you are BANISHED from the NFL. Up about 4 or 5 post i posted the link. Now if the media calls banished suspeneded indefinitely so be it. The NFL calls it Banishment or suspeneded and you can request to be Reinstated from Banishment not before 60 days prior to your 1 Yr anniversary of the Banishment letter. Its under Appendix B in the policy link i posted above.
If there were a set time for these things, then they would have no need to say "indefinite". They would tell you exactly when he come come back.
Ray Rice was initially suspended 2 games and then got suspended indefinitely.
"APPENDIX B
Procedures for Making Application for Reinstatement
by a Player Banned Under Stage Three
of the Intervention Program"
10-02-2014, 03:16 PM
Quote:There is no suspended indefinitely in the policy. Under stage 3 (which Blackmon was found guilty of breaking) you are not suspeneded you are BANISHED from the NFL. Up about 4 or 5 post i posted the link. Now if the media calls banished suspeneded indefinitely so be it. The NFL calls it Banishment or suspeneded and you can request to be Reinstated from Banishment not before 60 days prior to your 1 Yr anniversary of the Banishment letter. Its under Appendix B in the policy link i posted above.Then why does the NFL suspend people indefinitely? Why even say that? The media isn't using that word. Its the NFL.
"APPENDIX B
Procedures for Making Application for Reinstatement
by a Player Banned Under Stage Three
of the Intervention Program"
Why do they continue to say players are suspended indefinitely like Rice, Tanard Jackson and Blackmon.
10-02-2014, 03:23 PM
Quote:Then why does the NFL suspend people indefinitely? Why even say that? The media isn't using that word. Its the NFL.Well The NFL Network says that. Im pretty sure the NFL itself notifies the player and the team by letter and does not notify the public. The media NFL network ESPN all report on the suspension and i guess for media it sounds less harsh suspended indefinatley compared to banned or banished. I understand your point, all im saying is Blackmon is Suspended indefinitely/banned from the NFL for stage 3 of the Drug policy. He can apply (does not mean they will grant him) for reinstatement to the NFL 60 days prior to when he received the letter. So He could tech. Apply now but seeing as part of the reinstatement requires treatment, he has to finish rehab first, Then he can present and aplication for reinstatement. He will have to list his arrest but since treatment came after the arrest he can claim to be treated for that to.
Why do they continue to say players are suspended indefinitely like Rice, Tanard Jackson and Blackmon.
10-02-2014, 03:34 PM
While I'm very skeptical that he doesn't mess up again, I would really love to see blackmon back.
He's a great player and apparently a good dude. I hope he kicks the habit and puts Jacksonville's over the top with bortles and the other new wide receivers.
He's a great player and apparently a good dude. I hope he kicks the habit and puts Jacksonville's over the top with bortles and the other new wide receivers.
10-02-2014, 04:42 PM
Quote:There is no suspended indefinitely in the policy. Under stage 3 (which Blackmon was found guilty of breaking) you are not suspeneded you are BANISHED from the NFL. Up about 4 or 5 post i posted the link. Now if the media calls banished suspeneded indefinitely so be it. The NFL calls it Banishment or suspeneded and you can request to be Reinstated from Banishment not before 60 days prior to your 1 Yr anniversary of the Banishment letter. Its under Appendix B in the policy link i posted above.
"APPENDIX B
Procedures for Making Application for Reinstatement
by a Player Banned Under Stage Three
of the Intervention Program"
The league said he was suspended indefinitely.
10-02-2014, 04:51 PM
Maybe hes the next Cris Carter. Who knows. i hope he gets his life straight and if he does I want his redemption story to be here
10-02-2014, 04:57 PM
Quote:The league said he was suspended indefinitely.Ok i stand corrected the NFL did use the words. The policy just does not state suspended indefinitely is says banned which i guess means the same thing. i was more trying to get across that soon as he is out of rehab he can apply for reinstatement.
10-02-2014, 05:03 PM
Quote:Then why does the NFL suspend people indefinitely? Why even say that? The media isn't using that word. Its the NFL.It is considered indefinite because reinstatement is dependent on the player complying with the stage three requirements of the NFL drug policy.
Why do they continue to say players are suspended indefinitely like Rice, Tanard Jackson and Blackmon.
The player must continue to take and pass random drug tests, avoid committing drug related offenses, and adhere to any treatment programs that the NFL medical adviser deems necessary. He is required to present proof of these actions for 1 continuous year prior to his reinstatement in his application to the commissioner.
Failure to do so will extend the suspension time so it is indefinite based on the players actions.
10-02-2014, 05:08 PM
Quote:It is considered indefinite because reinstatement is dependent on the player complying with the stage three requirements of the NFL drug policy.
The player must continue to take and pass random drug tests, avoid committing drug related offenses, and adhere to any treatment programs that the NFL medical adviser deems necessary. He is required to present proof of these actions for 1 continuous year prior to his reinstatement in his application to the commissioner.
Failure to do so will extend the suspension time so it is indefinite based on the players actions.
Exactly - indefinite, because it depends on the player complying. So there are actually criteria for getting reinstated. A player is not simply left in limbo with no guidance on what to do to get reinstated.
10-02-2014, 05:13 PM
Quote:Ok i stand corrected the NFL did use the words. The policy just does not state suspended indefinitely is says banned which i guess means the same thing. i was more trying to get across that soon as he is out of rehab he can apply for reinstatement.He can apply for reinstatement 1 year from the date of his suspension. So, I think he can actually apply for reinstatement on 11/1.
10-02-2014, 05:14 PM
Reinstatement procedure if any one is interested:
APPENDIX B
Procedures for Making Application for Reinstatement
by a Player Banned Under Stage Three
of the Intervention Program
Any player who has been suspended under Stage Three may apply formally in writing for
reinstatement no sooner than 60 days before the one-year anniversary date of the letter so
suspending him.
The application should include all pertinent information about the player’s
(a) Treatment;
(b Abstinence from substances of abuse throughout the entire period of his
suspension;
© Involvement with any substances of abuse related incidents; and
(d) Arrests and/or convictions for any criminal activity, including substances of abuse
related offenses.
Set forth below are the procedures to be used when an application is received by the
Commissioner.
1. Within 45 days of receipt of the application, the player will be interviewed by the
Medical Director and the Medical Advisor after which a recommendation will be
made to the Commissioner with regard to the player’s request for reinstatement.
2. The player will execute appropriate medical release forms that will enable the
Commissioner’s staff and NFLPA Executive Director’s staff to review the
player’s substance abuse history, including but not limited to attendance at
counseling sessions (individual, group and family); attendance at 12-step and
other self-help group meetings; periodic progress reports; and all diagnostic
findings and treatment recommendations.
3. The player will submit to urine Testing by an NFL representative at a frequency
determined by the Medical Advisor.
4. The player will agree in a meeting with the Commissioner or his representative(s)
to comply with the conditions imposed by the Commissioner for his reinstatement
to the status of an active player.
5. All individuals involved in the process will take steps to enable the Commissioner
to render a decision within 60 days of the receipt of the application.
APPENDIX B
Procedures for Making Application for Reinstatement
by a Player Banned Under Stage Three
of the Intervention Program
Any player who has been suspended under Stage Three may apply formally in writing for
reinstatement no sooner than 60 days before the one-year anniversary date of the letter so
suspending him.
The application should include all pertinent information about the player’s
(a) Treatment;
(b Abstinence from substances of abuse throughout the entire period of his
suspension;
© Involvement with any substances of abuse related incidents; and
(d) Arrests and/or convictions for any criminal activity, including substances of abuse
related offenses.
Set forth below are the procedures to be used when an application is received by the
Commissioner.
1. Within 45 days of receipt of the application, the player will be interviewed by the
Medical Director and the Medical Advisor after which a recommendation will be
made to the Commissioner with regard to the player’s request for reinstatement.
2. The player will execute appropriate medical release forms that will enable the
Commissioner’s staff and NFLPA Executive Director’s staff to review the
player’s substance abuse history, including but not limited to attendance at
counseling sessions (individual, group and family); attendance at 12-step and
other self-help group meetings; periodic progress reports; and all diagnostic
findings and treatment recommendations.
3. The player will submit to urine Testing by an NFL representative at a frequency
determined by the Medical Advisor.
4. The player will agree in a meeting with the Commissioner or his representative(s)
to comply with the conditions imposed by the Commissioner for his reinstatement
to the status of an active player.
5. All individuals involved in the process will take steps to enable the Commissioner
to render a decision within 60 days of the receipt of the application.