Quote:It's stupid to say this team "has a history" of this or that. This team is different from last year's team.
What is hard to take is blowing a 17 point lead and give up 33 in a half. Chad Henne is exactly what the entire world has known, i.e. on a good day he is merely average. On a bad day he is terrible.
Regards....................the Chiefjag
Once we got up 17-0, we completely stopped doing what got us there. They stopped going deep to Hurns and pulled the ole Del Rio "play not to lose" thing. Never works out well.
Good teams play a for 60 minutes. We are not a good team yet.
Quote:Once we got up 17-0, we completely stopped doing what got us there. They stopped going deep to Hurns and pulled the ole Del Rio "play not to lose" thing. Never works out well.
this is true, but i think this coaching staff is more willing to learn. we arent used to protecting a lead. hopefully they learn their lesson and do better next time.
Quote:Yes true, one was on McClendon, but two were not.
No disagreement from me on that.
I'm just agitated that McClendon seems to be escaping blame for this game. He was snapping the ball high, low, straight into the ground (and getting penalized for it), and then at times just not even snapping the ball at all.
HOW is this the best the team could do when
everyone knew Meester was reaching his end for ~4-5 years?
I think the coaches and players deserve blame. Fisch's offense looked vanilla in the second half but the execution was poor as well. Here are what I think the problem areas are based on that second half.
Defense:
-Mainly depth at the safety position....specifically the fact that Prosinski has any chance of seeing the field on Sundays. Cyp was a huge loss and Prosinski may have cost us the game with a really bad blown coverage on the Maclin TD.
-Pass rush was amazing in the first half but didn't cause Foles many problems in the second half. I don't think it's a weak point on our team anymore but it needs to be better consistently if this defense is really going to excel.
Overall there is some real promise on the defense. We're going to have to find long-term replacements for Bryant and Clemons and add some depth at safety but the future is bright I think.
Offense:
-Offensive line wasn't too bad in pass protection, but really struggled with the run game. This may be a problem all season long and the answer at the center position is most likely not on the roster.
-Quarterback: the good news about this one is obviously that we feel like we have the answer on the roster. Although Henne DID play well in the first half and made some really good throws, he made some really bad decisions and throws in the second half, mismanaged the play clock, and overall just looked incompetent. I'm okay with sitting Bortles for awhile, but against a good team like the Eagles Henne obviously isnt going to carry us to many victories.
-Inexperience at WR and the fact that Marcedes Lewis is our starting TE: good news again here is that we feel like Robinson, Lee and Hurns are going to be long-term fixtures here for us. Hurns obviously is already making plays but Robinson did nothing and Lee made a key route running mistake and had a big drop. We're just going to have to endure growing pains from the WR's but in the long run I think it will pay off. As for Lewis, he's our best option at TE right now but he rarely comes up with the tough catches or comes through when you need him most. He shouldn't be a part of the future in my eyes because we should really try to upgrade him with a better pass catching option this offseason.
This is mostly based on one half of one game but I think the problems that cost us today are all problems that we pretty much knew we would have. Very disappointing end to the game though any way you cut it, and I hope the players, Coach Bradley and the coaching staff all learn from this and make sure it doesn't happen again, because it shouldn't.
Quote:Anyone who watched the first half objectively knew this was coming. The interior of the o-line was horrific all day. Gerhart is so slow it is as if he is running in slow motion. The defense played well, but got gassed because that is what Kelly's offense does to a team unless the offense can give them a break which they didn't. This will be a long year unless that o-line gets fixed.
I didn't want to believe it. I was riding the high.
But I knew coming out for the second-half it wasn't going to be pretty. Still got my hopes up for Bortles whenever the transition happens.
Quote:Once we got up 17-0, we completely stopped doing what got us there. They stopped going deep to Hurns and pulled the ole Del Rio "play not to lose" thing. Never works out well.
Eagles started doubling our undrafted rookie. Had nobody else to turn to
Quote:Please explain. They were throwing the ball for the entire second half. Conservative would be plowing into the line for a 1 yard game. That's not what happened here.
I think they threw 1 or 2 deep balls the entire second half. Didn't make sense. When they did run the ball they were running into 8-9 man fronts with a free rusher able to blow up the running back in the backfield.
Quote:POZ and Cyp where out on Sproles easy run up the middle. Cyp was out when Maclin was wide open. Get rid of Pros!!
That play was on the coaches. When it's 4th and 1 and your defense is not ready call Time out. Instead they sat there and let the play happen.
Note: PA doesn't work when Gerhart is on the sideline
Quote:Both. Gus Bradley is overrated and has PROVEN absolutely zero so far.
I agree with this. The juice is just too strong for others to see. He's now 4-13 and running the opposite way of .500. Two of those wins were against a trash Texans team. You are what your record says you are.
Quote:It's stupid to say this team "has a history" of this or that. This team is different from last year's team.
What is hard to take is blowing a 17 point lead and give up 33 in a half. Chad Henne is exactly what the entire world has known, i.e. on a good day he is merely average. On a bad day he is terrible.
Regards....................the Chiefjag
When the Jags had many games the past 2 years that were close at half time to have the same thing happen (implode) in the second half it's a history.
Quote:Anyone who watched the first half objectively knew this was coming. The interior of the o-line was horrific all day. Gerhart is so slow it is as if he is running in slow motion. The defense played well, but got gassed because that is what Kelly's offense does to a team unless the offense can give them a break which they didn't. This will be a long year unless that o-line gets fixed.
I don't care if we had Adrian Peterson back there. With how bad this run blocking is nobody is going to be successful. The oline were let free rushers get to the RB as soon as he touched the ball.
Quote:No disagreement from me on that.
I'm just agitated that McClendon seems to be escaping blame for this game. He was snapping the ball high, low, straight into the ground (and getting penalized for it), and then at times just not even snapping the ball at all.
HOW is this the best the team could do when everyone knew Meester was reaching his end for ~4-5 years?
He was but Henne as a veteran qb shouldn't be making those type of mistakes. McClendon is still learning how to play.
Quote:Yep. His first half and 2nd half is indicative of who he is. Until Bortles is in I don't feel like we have much of a chance on sundays. I'm not going to crucify the organization if they don't play bortles, but most can see the better QB is sitting on the bench.
I think sitting Bortles right now is smart. The offensive line can't pass block, they can't run block, and we have rookie receivers all over the field. They need to sit him until there is better talent around him.
Quote:I was just about to ask this. Obviously it's because the offense blows.
Yes, the offense couldn't sustain drives, and thus the D had to be on the field longer. But I also think that when we get more depth and can sub in and out better, we won't be gassed as quickly.
Quote:Really, the main thing is we have Henne. 3 time outs because he couldn't get the ball snapped in time for a veteran qb? That's unacceptable.
Dude, each time out could be seen as miscomunication between the Center/O-Line and Henne. If you want to lay all blame on Henne, fine. But you're being disingenuous if you think it's all Henne's fault.
Quote:Not that Henne played a great game or anything, but I'm pretty sure one of those timeouts is on McClendon. Henne looked like he was having a seizure back there trying to get the ball, and then finally settled for a timeout. McClendon then proceeded to hike the ball as Henne was walking off the field. 
Pretty much. And then on another timeout, you could tell Henne was trying to communicate something to the O-Line, and they looked like he was speaking Japanese to them
Quote:Yes true, one was on McClendon, but two were not.
I beg to differ. Again, it really looked like the Center really had no idea how to decipher what was going on and what Henne was trying to communicate when he was trying to make adjustments prior to snap.
Quote:Once we got up 17-0, we completely stopped doing what got us there. They stopped going deep to Hurns and pulled the ole Del Rio "play not to lose" thing. Never works out well.
Exactly. It was obvious Henne started getting tight with his throws. But how much of that was Fische in his ear saying to manage the game. The play calling became typical of last year, and the Iggles began to gain confidence.
We no longer hand them guessing. They pretty much knew what was coming by the 12 minute mark of the 2nd Quarter... I really wish Fische would just play call the entire game like it was the first quarter. We'd be dangerous. Even with Henne. You can tell Henne is alot more comfortable when he's allowed to let it fly.
Why not just live and die by being aggressive? I'm hoping Fische figures it out soon. Of course having Bortles behind center might help. But if Fische is dictating Bortles to be conservative, he'll be just as horrible as any other QB that's playing not to lose.
Quote:I think sitting Bortles right now is smart. The offensive line can't pass block, they can't run block, and we have rookie receivers all over the field. They need to sit him until there is better talent around him.
Bortles does have talent around him. IMO, learning in a less than perfect situation is better for Bortles long term development than having 7 seconds to throw the ball behind a cushy O-line.
It's the whole thing top to bottom. I had full expectation for this team to have been blown out by 20 in the second quarter. This team lost the game in the last 8 minutes. That's something I have said in a long time. This team is better and just has to learn how to win.
Last year they couldn't even compete. Now they have to figure out a way to finish. That was a playoff team struggling to play with us for 52 minutes.
This team has a history of one game now! That's the point.
Regards....................the Chiefjag