Quote:A 17-0 lead in todays NFL is by no means insurmountable.
This ain't the 1970's anymore.
Exactly. That's what I've been saying all afternoon. I have no idea why Fisch decided to change the plan that got us where we were. We were play action passing, we were pump faking. We were taking shots and using creative plays.
It really concerns me about what happened with the OC... I hope he turns this around. We don't need an OC that is scared to go for the jugular.
Quote:Exactly. That's what I've been saying all afternoon. I have no idea why Fisch decided to change the plan that got us where we were. We were play action passing, we were pump faking. We were taking shots and using creative plays.
It really concerns me about what happened with the OC... I hope he turns this around. We don't need an OC that is scared to go for the jugular.
see post 120
Wait, was it 17 - 1 at the half?
Quote:This could be on Gus.
Gus could have given Fisch the order to get more conservative once up 17-0.
Gus is essentially the boss.
Well, that is an alternative theory... And I can't 100% refute it... However, Gus is a former D Coordinator. I would surmise that he allows Fisch alot of leeway in terms of play calls and how to adjust during a game...
Unless, prior to the game, Gus told the OC, "Hey Fisch, make sure you shut it down once we go up by 17" :teehee:
You guys are right. I think we should fire the OC weekly until we find the one that will generate 48 points of offense on a weekly basis. Anything else is unacceptable.
Same goes with the defensive coordinator. If he gives up more than 30 points again, fire the guy and find a guy who can pitch shutouts on a weekly basis. Anybody else sucks.
See all most posts from today. LOL, but also post #124 :woot:
Quote:Yea it seemed like the Sproles run and TD by Maclin were a direct result of poor safety play...those 2 plays cost us the game!
I see the first mistake on that play in the way AluAlu was manhandled at the line 1 on 1.
Quote:You guys are right. I think we should fire the OC weekly until we find the one that will generate 48 points of offense on a weekly basis. Anything else is unacceptable.
Same goes with the defensive coordinator. If he gives up more than 30 points again, fire the guy and find a guy who can pitch shutouts on a weekly basis. Anybody else sucks.
<Phrase Removed>. Most on here, including me are not saying to fire anyone. But there is a concern. You'd be silly not to have some concern or questions regarding what transpired on the offense today. Especially with how great we started and then how we basically just shut it all down untill it was too late.
By the time the offense realized they needed to get rolling again, we were out of sink, and Henne was completely discombobulated.
We saw today that 17 point lead is not insurmountable. Today a 32 point lead was not insurmountable.
Regards...................the Chiefjag
Quote:Well, that is an alternative theory... And I can't 100% refute it... However, Gus is a former D Coordinator. I would surmise that he allows Fisch alot of leeway in terms of play calls and how to adjust during a game...
Unless, prior to the game, Gus told the OC, "Hey Fisch, make sure you shut it down once we go up by 17" :teehee:
No, but you don't think they are conversing throughout the game? I could easily see Gus give Fisch the order to "burn some clock"...regarding the types of playcalling he at that point changed to.
I can't prove it either, but it sure seems plausible.
As said, the head coach in fact does make those kind of calls. Fisch wouldn't have that sort of autonomy, I don't think.
Quote:We saw today that 17 point lead is not insurmountable. Today a 32 point lead was not insurmountable.
Regards...................the Chiefjag
I dunno about that.
A 27-0 lead would have changed the way both teams approached things from that point forward. The Eagles scoring a TD at 17-0 makes it 17-7, which is easily still in the game.......had the Eagles first score been at 27-0 they are pretty much likely thinking that its a longshot at best to come back at that point.
Quote:No, but you don't think they are conversing throughout the game? I could easily see Gus give Fisch the order to "burn some clock"...regarding the types of playcalling he at that point changed to.
I can't prove it either, but it sure seems plausible.
As said, the head coach in fact does make those kind of calls. Fisch wouldn't have that sort of autonomy, I don't think.
You think Gus also told Fisch to bench Denard?
I hear what your saying, it's speculation on both sides. But in a situation like this, I think the OC is the one that's calling the plays and dealing with the personel packages.
But you're right, Gus could very well have said, burn some clock, which then was translated by the OC into creating a prevent offense style plan for the rest of the game that got us burned.
Again, I hope they learn from this. The lesson being, you keep your foot on your opponents throat when you have them on the ropes...
Quote:Oh calm down. Most on here, including me are not saying to fire anyone. But there is a concern. You'd be silly not to have some concern or questions regarding what transpired on the offense today. Especially with how great we started and then how we basically just shut it all down untill it was too late.
By the time the offense realized they needed to get rolling again, we were out of sink, and Henne was completely discombobulated.
Out of "sink"? LOL! Somebody replace the sink, it's out of sorts. I think you meant to say out of synch.
You calm down. I'm the one preaching patience and waiting for the rebuild to take place over the course of three years and not having a knee-jerk reaction based on one half of play. Everybody, and I mean everybody, predicted the Jags to lose this game. The only surprise is that they completely dominated the first half. You're just angry they didn't hang on to win.
This rebuild is going to take time and guys like you don't have the sack to reap the fruits of the FO's labor.
I see the big picture and I'm excited about where this is going. Plug BB in there and they're an 8-8 team today. In a couple years, they're challenging Indy for the division title.
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Again, I hope they learn from this. The lesson being, you keep your foot on your opponents throat when you have them on the ropes...
This better be learned....or else history probably will repeat.
Quote:Out of "sink"? LOL! Somebody replace the sink, it's out of sorts. I think you meant to say out of synch.
You calm down. I'm the one preaching patience and waiting for the rebuild to take place over the course of three years and not having a knee-jerk reaction based on one half of play. Everybody, and I mean everybody, predicted the Jags to lose this game. The only surprise is that they completely dominated the first half. You're just angry they didn't hang on to win.
This rebuild is going to take time and guys like you don't have the sack to reap the fruits of the FO's labor.
I see the big picture and I'm excited about where this is going. Plug BB in there and they're an 8-8 team today. In a couple years, they're challenging Indy for the division title.
Who's angry? Me?
Just because I feel the need to critique the OC doesn't make me upset. I've pointed out alot of positives in other threads. The D looked like the real deal. We had great play calling in the beginning of the game, I just wish we would have kept it going instead of taking our foot of the gas. I'm not calling for anyone's head. And I have the same attitude towards this season as you.
2 things:
1..Thanks for the correction... LOL, sink... Ha!
2.. I apologize for starting my reply to you with "oh calm down", that was a punk move and could be considered antagonistic. I take it back.
Quote:Out of "sink"? LOL! Somebody replace the sink, it's out of sorts. I think you meant to say out of synch.
You calm down. I'm the one preaching patience and waiting for the rebuild to take place over the course of three years and not having a knee-jerk reaction based on one half of play. Everybody, and I mean everybody, predicted the Jags to lose this game. The only surprise is that they completely dominated the first half. You're just angry they didn't hang on to win.
This rebuild is going to take time and guys like you don't have the sack to reap the fruits of the FO's labor.
I see the big picture and I'm excited about where this is going. Plug BB in there and they're an 8-8 team today. In a couple years, they're challenging Indy for the division title.
Couple of years? It better be next year.
How ridiculous. A 27-0 lead wouldn't have changed anything Philly did today. They changed their approach when down 17-0 and would have done the same being down 27-0. And from the Jags standpoint, we still would have tried to burn clock and permit Henne to throw to phantom receivers.
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
Quote:This better be learned....or else history probably will repeat.
It's week 1, so a pass should be given. But yes, this is a pattern I would like to see end.
If Bortles is who we think he is, this might not even be a big deal, because a great QB can make an OK coach look great. So this may all be a moot point. But again, it's just something that causes some concern for me.
Quote:How ridiculous. A 27-0 lead wouldn't have changed anything Philly did today. They changed their approach when down 17-0 and would have done the same being down 27-0. And from the Jags standpoint, we still would have tried to burn clock and permit Henne to throw to phantom receivers.
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
Dude, if we were up 27 to 0, the game would have been much different... The last TD was from a fumble return, right? So yeah, you can't say things would have turned out the same.
If you're saying a 17-0 deficit is surmountable but a 27-0 deficit is not, then I disagree.
Regards...................the Chiefjag