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Quote:I'm pretty sure you aren't the only poster who has tried to pass this logic by him. You can lead a horse to water but you can make him drink.

 

Especially not from the Trough of Logic^TM.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet...

 

Number of snaps taken by Bortles with the #1s since he was drafted?

 

Answer:  0

 

Let's not Prisco rush to get ahead of a story that isn't there.

Quote:You realize you're all saying pretty much the same thing? "Put him in when he's ready" or "Put him in if he WINS the job" are the exact same thing just worded differently... He's not going to play before he's ready, except maybe injury to Henne, and he's not going to win the job if he's not ready. It's the same thing.

 

It's not the same thing at all. He can be better the Henne and still not have his mechanical issues properly solved.

 

Quote:He's won the starting job as he is better than Henne, but Bortles is still not ready from a mechanical perspective. With our entire receiving corps injured or suspended, a suspect OL, and Bortles changing muscle memory and adapting to the NFL ... Start Henne now and let Bortles play later so he'll have some tape to study for next season

 

Like my man here said.

Quote:It's not the same thing at all. He can be better the Henne and still not have his mechanical issues properly solved.

 

 

Like my man here said.

This is the point I think gets lost on the crowd that doesn't see the logic in allowing Bortles time to develop.

Quote:It's not the same thing at all. He can be better the Henne and still not have his mechanical issues properly solved.



Like my man here said.

I understand that. But to me, he hasn't "won" the starting job until he's on the field starting. Though I do see where you're coming from. I completely understand Bradley's approach and think it's a great move.

Quote:I understand that. But to me, he hasn't "won" the starting job until he's on the field starting. Though I do see where you're coming from. I completely understand Bradley's approach and think it's a great move.

 

Gotcha. We can probably agree then, he can outplay Henne without winning the starting job due to his mechanics.

Bradley mentioned he flashes. He'll make some plays. But he knocked him for being inconsistent, as most rookie passers are when they get into this leauge. Being consistent just comes with time and patience and practice. I don't think it means he's starting this year. I don't care how ugly it gets with Henne either. If Henne is healthy, he needs to start. We cannot botch another first round QB because of our impatience. We messed Leftwich up, and we messed Gabbert up. Hopefully third lucks the charm for us. I don't have a problem one bit if Bortles sits this year and next year.

Quote:Bradley mentioned he flashes. He'll make some plays. But he knocked him for being inconsistent, as most rookie passers are when they get into this leauge. Being consistent just comes with time and patience and practice. I don't think it means he's starting this year. I don't care how ugly it gets with Henne either. If Henne is healthy, he needs to start. We cannot botch another first round QB because of our impatience. We messed Leftwich up, and we messed Gabbert up. Hopefully third lucks the charm for us. I don't have a problem one bit if Bortles sits this year and next year.

Bingo

Bortles is a far better quarterback than both Leftwich and Gabbert were coming out of college. Bortles is the best  QB coming out of college we've ever drafted. I think actual game experience sooner would be better for him than watching all season.

Quote:Bortles is a far better quarterback than both Leftwich and Gabbert were coming out of college. Bortles is the best  QB coming out of college we've ever drafted. I think actual game experience sooner would be better for him than watching all season.

Unfortunately, those who actually make the decisions see it differently. 

I don't mean start him right away. But sitting him for the entire season no matter what happens would be silly. Personally I hope he's starting (along with Manziel) by week 8 for the Cleveland game. Bortles v Manziel I.

Quote:Gotcha. We can probably agree then, he can outplay Henne without winning the starting job due to his mechanics.

Yes exactly.

Quote:Bortles is a far better quarterback than both Leftwich and Gabbert were coming out of college. Bortles is the best  QB coming out of college we've ever drafted. I think actual game experience sooner would be better for him than watching all season.

 

Why start him? This team isn't 1 player away from the playoffs. I don't get that mentality. It's not like he was a 5th year senior coming out.

Quote:Why start him? This team isn't 1 player away from the playoffs. I don't get that mentality. It's not like he was a 5th year senior coming out.

Will they be one player away from the playoffs next year?

Quote:Will they be one player away from the playoffs next year?

 

If Bortles develops into the consistent player they expect him to be, who's ready to start next season... perhaps.

 

This division is starved for a team to go out and earn it, instead of cakewalking into an easy division crown.

I just don't agree at all with the notion that these QBs were "ruined" by playing early. Maybe with the exception of someone like David Carr who was just hit far far too much. But guys like Leftwich and Gabbert had fatal flaws that would never have been corrected by sitting and learning. Leftwich's release was what held him back. "Sitting and learning" wouldn't have changed that. Gabbert had zero pocket presence and an awkward throwing position that shrunk him from a 6'5" QB to a 6'0" one.

 

I mean do people seriously think that Aaron Rodgers would've been awful if he had played sooner than later? I certainly don't. I feel like guys either have it or they don't. Sure, they may not be Pro Bowlers right away and they may struggle some, but the notion that a QB's development is somehow frozen just because he is the starter is the most asinine conclusion I have ever heard. The better player should play.

 

Playing Henne just because he is healthy if he is obviously the lesser QB makes no sense and goes completely against Gus Bradley's message about competition. If Bortles isn't as good, sure, play Henne. But if he's clearly beating him out, I don't see the logic in sitting him just because. 

 

If you look back and say "that QB was ruined by playing early" you probably just didn't have the right guy to begin with.

Quote:Why start him? This team isn't 1 player away from the playoffs. I don't get that mentality. It's not like he was a 5th year senior coming out.

 

You start him because he is the best QB on the roster. If he isn't, you don't. But you don't sit him just because.

Quote:Bradley mentioned he flashes. He'll make some plays. But he knocked him for being inconsistent, as most rookie passers are when they get into this leauge. Being consistent just comes with time and patience and practice. I don't think it means he's starting this year. I don't care how ugly it gets with Henne either. If Henne is healthy, he needs to start. We cannot botch another first round QB because of our impatience. We messed Leftwich up, and we messed Gabbert up. Hopefully third lucks the charm for us. I don't have a problem one bit if Bortles sits this year and next year.

 

Does Bradley knock Henne for being inconsistent also?

 

You say "being consistent just comes with time and patience and practice". How much time and patience and practice? Henne has been in the league going on 7 years now and he is the epitome of Inconsistent.

 

I don't really remember back when Henne was a rookie and how inconsistent he was, but I know that right now 7 years later, he is still very inconsistent out there on the football field.

 

I can only assume he is better today as a 6/7 yr vet then he was as a rookie, but that doesn't change the fact that he is still very inconsistent as a starting NFL QB.

 

How much more time, patience and practice will it take for Henne to become more consistent as a starting NFL QB?

 

I'm not saying Bortles should start over because I do believe that he can learn a lot from watching from the sideline.

 

And yes, there are even things he can learn from watching Henne play. He can learn the importance of being consistent for one thing.

I want Bortles to play at some point this season because I just want to see some potential and be excited, but it really looks like he's going to watch, observe, and practice the whole year.


Bortles is basically spending his senior year with us.

I would love to see him play but i really do feel like Gus and co are going to stick to their word and have him sit all season. UNLESS Chad is hurt of course.