I don't necessarily want Bortles to start, and I really don't think he will. But I think that those that think it is completely set in stone are wrong. If he lights it up in pre-season...consistently...I could see him starting.
Russel Wilson was expected to sit behind Flynn.....
Quote:Do you understand what the word "emulate" means?
Your quote:
What's your point there again? Did you actually SEE what Geno Smith did as a rookie? He should be a cautionary tale.
To answer your question, I don't think Bortles is going to prove he's ready to assume the starting role in the preseason, especially if he's spending most of his time on the field with the backups on both sides of the ball. I know some here, like you, will immediately demand he start based on how he does against scrubs who won't be in the league a couple of weeks from now, but the coaches are smart enough to recognize progress, and to understand where he's at, and I don't think they'll be as easily swayed as someone of your ilk would be.
There is a QB competition going on right now. That's the point you really just can't seem to grasp. Bortles is competing with himself to get to the point where the coaches are comfortable that he's ready to start. He's not competing with Henne, but I wouldn't expect you to follow the logic here.
Emulate: 1. To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation.
2. To compete with successfully; approach or attain equality with.
Yeah emulate still means what I thought it meant. Comparing situations is what I was doing with Geno and Blake, had nothing to do with emulating no one on another team. Like I said if he's to emulate anybody it would be Henne who is his competition first and a psuedo-mentor to him second. Im pretty sure he will get first string reps with the team in the preseason just like the other two first round quarterbacks that were drafted in his draft with him.
If he doesn't get 1st reps that's stupid because Henne is not the future Bortles is. Even in this flawed concept of giving the starting position to Henne you have to prep your future as much as possible. Giving him no reps with the first team this whole preseason will make no sense. Everybody knows Henne will not get this team to the playoffs this year so it would be a detriment to the team to treat the 3rd pick in the draft a like a total backup.
The QB fear here is real. Makes me nostalgic for the Garrard years.
Quote:I don't necessarily want Bortles to start, and I really don't think he will. But I think that those that think it is completely set in stone are wrong. If he lights it up in pre-season...consistently...I could see him starting.
Russel Wilson was expected to sit behind Flynn.....
Russell Wilson didn't need a complete rework on his fundamentals upon entering the league.
Quote:The QB fear here is real. Makes me nostalgic for the Garrard years.
Theres no "QB fear" here. Wanting the QB to get the proper fundamentals down as second nature by the time he's named full time starter isn't "QB fear".
Quote:The QB fear here is real. Makes me nostalgic for the Garrard years.
I'm not really sure what "QB fear" is, but I don't sense there's a bit of it around these parts.
If you're nostalgic for the Garrard years, that tells me all I need to know.
Quote:Emulate: 1. To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation.
2. To compete with successfully; approach or attain equality with.
Yeah emulate still means what I thought it meant. Comparing situations is what I was doing with Geno and Blake, had nothing to do with emulating no one on another team. Like I said if he's to emulate anybody it would be Henne who is his competition first and a psuedo-mentor to him second. Im pretty sure he will get first string reps with the team in the preseason just like the other two first round quarterbacks that were drafted in his draft with him.
If he doesn't get 1st reps that's stupid because Henne is not the future Bortles is. Even in this flawed concept of giving the starting position to Henne you have to prep your future as much as possible. Giving him no reps with the first team this whole preseason will make no sense. Everybody knows Henne will not get this team to the playoffs this year so it would be a detriment to the team to treat the 3rd pick in the draft a like a total backup.
If you're suggesting the Jags should do what the Jets did with Geno, that's pretty much emulating their actions. Dance around it any way you see fit. It doesn't change your point in that post one bit.
Since Bortles is guaranteed to be the future of this franchise, it's a matter of getting his mechanics and his grasp of the playbook where they need to be for him to succeed. It's also a matter of making sure the offensive line is at least moderately capable of protecting the guy that's targeted to be the starter for the long haul.
I really don't understand what the sense of urgency here is for some of you. You act as if his presence on the field sooner rather than later is really going to make a huge difference. It won't. There are still a lot of parts that need to develop on this roster. Throwing him out there before he or the line are ready would be foolish, and if he struggled, the same people such as yourself who are desperate to pass immediate judgment will declare him a bust by week 3. That's the best part of your position. No matter what this team does, you'll complain...unless he succeeds in which case you'll just find something else to fixate on.
Everyone knows Henne won't get this team to the playoffs this year? Gosh, that's some earth shattering news! I'm pretty sure EVERYONE here but you and a few other delusional folks recognize that this team won't get to the playoffs this year with our without Henne at the helm.
When he's ready to play, he should be able to play.
It would be incredibly foolish to assume that Bortles will develop how you WANT him to develop. If he's ready, but not playing, then it would likely stunt his growth.
What does Bortles (or this team) have to gain by letting a player that's ready to play simply ride the bench because he's young?
Quote:When he's ready to play, he should be able to play.
It would be incredibly foolish to assume that Bortles will develop how you WANT him to develop. If he's ready, but not playing, then it would likely stunt his growth.
What does Bortles (or this team) have to gain by letting a player that's ready to play simply ride the bench because he's young?
I think they've been pretty clear about what their expectations are. When he's ready, he'll play. It has nothing to do with how I or anyone else on this board WANT him to develop. It has everything to do with the guys getting paid to make those decisions and their determination as to what they consider "ready" and what value they attach to allowing the line to develop to the point where they can protect their investment. It has nothing to do with him being young. It has everything to do with him having issues that he's going to need to work through, and how quickly he can accomplish that while also learning the entire playbook.
Quote:I think they've been pretty clear about what their expectations are. When he's ready, he'll play. It has nothing to do with how I or anyone else on this board WANT him to develop. It has everything to do with the guys getting paid to make those decisions and their determination as to what they consider "ready" and what value they attach to allowing the line to develop to the point where they can protect their investment. It has nothing to do with him being young. It has everything to do with him having issues that he's going to need to work through, and how quickly he can accomplish that while also learning the entire playbook.
I'd like to add, in my view, it also has very little to do with his performance in relation to Henne.
Quote:I don't necessarily want Bortles to start, and I really don't think he will. But I think that those that think it is completely set in stone are wrong. If he lights it up in pre-season...consistently...I could see him starting.
Russel Wilson was expected to sit behind Flynn.....
Freakin mouthbreather
Quote:Russell Wilson didn't need a complete rework on his fundamentals upon entering the league.
So he was completely ready to start when Seattle drafted him, huh?
That's why they gave Flynn the fat contract.
Quote:I'd like to add, in my view, it also has very little to do with his performance in relation to Henne.
Agreed. I've made the same point before. This isn't a competition between the two QBs. Henne's performance has nothing to do with when Bortles winds up starting. They're not going to rush the rookie along just because the fans are clamoring for a change because Henne is struggling.
That being said, I've actually got a good feeling about Henne this year. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people and at least bring a higher level of mediocrity to the table. I don't expect him to set franchise records, but I don't think he's going to be as bad as many here do.
Quote:Theres no "QB fear" here. Wanting the QB to get the proper fundamentals down as second nature by the time he's named full time starter isn't "QB fear".
QB fear is about the dumbest new phrase that I've heard on this board.
That, and butthurt....I don't even know what the hell that means.
Quote:So he was completely ready to start when Seattle drafted him, huh?
That's why they gave Flynn the fat contract.
Considering the fact that Flynn signed that deal more than a month before they drafted Russell Wilson, and Wilson proceeded to win the job in training camp and the preseason, I'd have to say he was pretty much ready to start. Moreso than Flynn apparently.
Quote:QB fear is about the dumbest new phrase that I've heard on this board.
That, and butthurt....I don't even know what the hell that means.
Agreed
Quote:Considering the fact that Flynn signed that deal more than a month before they drafted Russell Wilson, and Wilson proceeded to win the job in training camp and the preseason, I'd have to say he was pretty much ready to start.
Exactly. Pretty similar situation here. I just can't see how they don't start Bortles
if he wins the job.
There are many reasons they could have said 'Henne is the starter'.
As I said, I don't expect it.
I don't really see how people are struggling to understand what's going on? Master the offense, develop his footwork till good habits become second nature, find some receiver/O-Line cohesion, and put him in the best situation to succeed. I mean, our GM, owner, and coach have this plan in mind. After Blaine, Garrard, and Henne, don't we think we should have a plan in place to succeed. And although this game can be played two ways, Rodgers worked on his footwork and throwing motion as an understudy. David Carr and Blaine Gabbert were thrown in the fire and goofed big time. I'm cool with any plan that gives us the best chance of being successful at the QB position. Patience, my friends
Quote:Exactly. Pretty similar situation here. I just can't see how they don't start Bortles if he wins the job.
There are many reasons they could have said 'Henne is the starter'.
As I said, I don't expect it.
All indications from the coaching staff are that he's progressing nicely, but he's nowhere near ready to start. That being the case, people need to temper their expectations. Henne is the starter because at least for now he's the best option. That doesn't sound like it's going to change between now and opening day.
Quote:All indications from the coaching staff are that he's progressing nicely, but he's nowhere near ready to start. That being the case, people need to temper their expectations. Henne is the starter because at least for now he's the best option. That doesn't sound like it's going to change between now and opening day.
And the fun thing is, we don't know. We just have opinions. We get to see it all unfold and if Bortles happens to beat out Henne and Bradley/Caldwell think he should start, I'm fine with it.
Once again, I don't expect it so I don't have any expectations to temper.