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Whether Gratz develops into a pro bowl corner or not remains to be seen.  One thing is for certain though - Gratz is exceptionally strong for a corner.  You need players like him to play against some of the physical receivers in the NFL, like Andre Johnson.  He has a role regardless of whether he turns into a stud or not.  Ideally, you want him covering the possession receivers and hopefully we'll eventually draft someone who can blanket the NFL's top playmakers.

Quote:Whether Gratz develops into a pro bowl corner or not remains to be seen.  One thing is for certain though - Gratz is exceptionally strong for a corner.  You need players like him to play against some of the physical receivers in the NFL, like Andre Johnson.  He has a role regardless of whether he turns into a stud or not.  Ideally, you want him covering the possession receivers and hopefully we'll eventually draft someone who can blanket the NFL's top playmakers.

 

Gratz is not Troy Vincent,,,if thats the comparison type of CB you are trying to compare him to. He's more physical than some of the CB we were used to like Mathis, maybe, but thats about it. 

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Colvin was part 1, next years CB draftee will be part 2, and bump average Gratz to the bench. 

 

 

What's wrong with average?  We have a lot of starters that aren't even average that we could upgrade.  I'll take an injured 3rd round rookie with a unique skill set who plays like an average NFL corner anyday.

Quote:What's wrong with average?  We have a lot of starters that aren't even average that we could upgrade.  I'll take an injured 3rd round rookie with a unique skill set who plays like an average NFL corner anyday.

 

Average isn't good enough. A defense is only as strong as your weakest link. 

Quote:Gratz is not Troy Vincent,,,if thats the comparison type of CB you are trying to compare him to. He's more physical than some of the CB we were used to like Mathis, maybe, but thats about it. 

 

Obviously he's not at the level of a borderline hall of famer.  However, he is stronger than almost every starting cornerback in the league.  He is a 1st round type athlete.  I'm not ready to relegate him to the bench after a decent rookie year.  It'll take a lot for Gratz not to be a starter at the start of next season.  It would take a HUGE second half of the season for Colvin and a 1st round cornerback next year - both of which are unlikely.

Quote:Average isn't good enough. A defense is only as strong as your weakest link. 

 

Average is still the best cornerback we have on the roster currently.  We have 4 or 5 starters that are worse than rookie/injured Gratz on defense.  I expect large steps from him this season...  Just like any player entering their second season.

Quote:Obviously he's not at the level of a borderline hall of famer.  However, he is stronger than almost every starting cornerback in the league.

 

 

Um....hyperbole???

Quote:Um....hyperbole???

 

Me or you?

Quote:Average is still the best cornerback we have on the roster currently.  We have 4 or 5 starters that are worse than rookie/injured Gratz on defense.  I expect large steps from him this season...  Just like any player entering their second season.

 

You expect large steps from the defense as a whole, or Gratz? Because I could see the defense making significant strides with some of the players we added, but I don't anticipate seeing large improvement from Gratz as an individual player. I don't think he's much better than what we saw last year, and that was largely vs bad QB in the easy 2nd half schedule. 

How can you be putting Colvin over Gratz at this point?

Quote:How can you be putting Colvin over Gratz at this point?

 

From what I saw of Colvin he looked really really good prior to that injury. A lot of scouts had him as almost round 1 material. 

Quote:You expect large steps from the defense as a whole, or Gratz? Because I could see the defense making significant strides with some of the players we added, but I don't anticipate seeing large improvement from Gratz as an individual player. I don't think he's that good. 

 

Both.  The entire defense was filled with rookies last season.  Rookies get better in year two - whether its a lot or a little.  Gratz will be better than last year - whether its a lot or a little.  If Gratz played average last year, then I think its within reason that most would believe he could be above average this season.  If he plateau's, then fine - we'll find his replacement eventually.  However, it won't be by the start of next season.  Top tier NFL cornerbacks don't just fall into your lap that often, especially 2 of them in one offseason when it may not even be a priority position.  I'd assume pass rush, outside linebacker, center, free safety, and possibly running back and tight end will be of more importance in draft order next May.

Quote:From what I saw of Colvin he looked really really good prior to that injury. A lot of scouts had him as almost round 1 material.

In college. He's got to show that he's A, healed and B, able to adapt his skills to the NFL. Right now, it would be unreasonable to put him above any other CB on the roster. Guy hasn't even put on a helmet yet.

Just pathetic. Anyone here can see TMD is just writhing in his rhetoric. I was going to keep arguing but realized it isn't worth my time. I supply facts and stats and the best thing TMD can ever come up with is something like "after next draft like I predict." Facts vs a year + prognostication by someone consistently proven incorrect. I'll take the stats.

Quote:Just pathetic. Anyone here can see TMD is just writhing in his rhetoric. I was going to keep arguing but realized it isn't worth my time. I supply facts and stats and the best thing TMD can ever come up with is something like "after next draft like I predict." Facts vs a year + prognostication by someone consistently proven incorrect. I'll take the stats.

 

lol....."stats".....as if Gratz had this "great" year last year....  

 

newsflash he wasn't all that good, and played vs mostly scrub QB from weeks 9-16. The only good one he faced was in week 17. 

Im not sure what the debate here is. The "stats" simply state Gratz didn't have a great year. We'll see if he can improve enough to actually warrant a starting position and he has played somewhat decent enough to be given that opportunity in training camp/preseason.

 

Anyone saying he is starter quality or is cut-worthy are simply ignorant and wrong.

i feel gratz is currently a mid to low level cb2 being asked to cover top wide receivers like andre johnson and josh gordon which makes him appear far worse than he is

 

He is always going to be given trouble by those guys

 

I personally feel his ceiling is like that of cecil shorts on offense, a high level cb2. I think if colvin can be our number 1 guy which considering he was talked of as a back end of the first round prospect seems to be within his reach and with a front 4 that can generate pressure I feel we can see gratz be a solid prospect

 

my personal hope though is we see mccray take a step forward this year to put pressure on ball and gratz for a starting spot. His performances on special teams and what we saw in his reps against seattle (way before he was ready) make me feel there is potential there.

 

If he could take a step in camp, start to get some time on the field, keep improving and beat out ball late in the season (which for some reason I feel he can) I think we could have our cb1,2 and nickel corner all on the roster.

 

I think a secondary of colvin, mccray with gratz at the nickel (which i think would be ideal for him given his strength against the run and his pretty good movement skills). Add cyprien and our first/ second pick next year at free safety and I feel we could be set in the backfield for the next 5-10 years

Welcome to the next 5 months ya'll

 



 

Quote:From what I saw of Colvin he looked really really good prior to that injury. A lot of scouts had him as almost round 1 material. 

 

You watching alot of Oklahoma game bro?

Quote:You watching alot of Oklahoma game bro?

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