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Quote:I know, EIGHT YEARS OF BAD SCHEME AND AGENDA!
You'd think one of these days the guys paid to figure out how to get the best out of the players on the field would be able to get so much more out of him, you know, since the message board KNOWS he's actually pretty awesome.
8 years?
You do realize he has been to the pro bowl in that 8 year span.
More hyperbole.
I hope you realize that if you have to continuously rely on hyperbole to make a point, then your point is pretty weak.
Quote:The problem is, not all 8 years were as bad as you are portraying. But you already now that.
RicoCabesa, I think we must have cut some favorite Sooner at some time in the past and Oklahomie's just never gotten past that. ;-)
Quote:The problem is, not all 8 years were as bad as you are portraying. But you already now that.
Aside from his contract season in 2010 he has averaged about 400 yards per season, less than 40 catches, and just over 2 TDs.
If you take out his first and last season and 2010 as the outliers then he has about what I just quoted but his yards go up by about 50 per season. He's still around 2 TDs per season and 40 catches.
Quote:Aside from his contract season in 2010 he has averaged about 400 yards per season, less than 40 catches, and just over 2 TDs.
If you take out his first and last season and 2010 as the outliers then he has about what I just quoted but his yards go up by about 50 per season. He's still around 2 TDs per season and 40 catches.
You're ridiculous. Carry on. You want to make Lewis out worse than he is. I get it. Have fun.
Quote:You're ridiculous. Carry on. You want to make Lewis out worse than he is. I get it. Have fun.
I know the board is full of homers, but what part of the ACTUAL IMPARTIAL STATISTICS do you have a problem with?
This isn't me saying he's a mediocre player, it's his performance.
Quote:I know the board is full of homers, but what part of the ACTUAL IMPARTIAL STATISTICS do you have a problem with?
This isn't me saying he's a mediocre player, it's his performance.
As I said...have fun.
A TE can't be a stud without a good QB and O-line. Look at the great TEs currently in the game: Jimmy Graham - Drew Brees/good O-line; Tony Gonzalez - Matt Ryan/ok O-line; Antonio Gates - Philip Rivers/good O-line; Greg Olson - Cam Newton/good O-line. See a pattern? Lewis could be a very good TE. Is he an elite TE? Heck no. He needs to catch balls thrown to him more often. However, if we can't run the ball, the pass game suffers. And if our O-line can't give the QB time to throw the ball, how is he supposed to make catches and plays like the amounts of other TEs with the proper help? I don't think he should come out and say things like this when his production hasn't backed the statement up. However, he's not a scrub. He's got talent. He just needs to use it all; but he needs help. Just like the other 10 offensive players on the field......
GO JAGS!!
Oh and Cameron too, but QB might not be a strength there lol; O-line is though.
Quote:Aside from his contract season in 2010 he has averaged about 400 yards per season, less than 40 catches, and just over 2 TDs.
If you take out his first and last season and 2010 as the outliers then he has about what I just quoted but his yards go up by about 50 per season. He's still around 2 TDs per season and 40 catches.
If you're going to throw out a player's best year, it's equally valid to throw out his rookie year when a player is just learning the NFL game. Doing this means he'd average 44 catches a game. Not great perhaps until you realize he's been tatgeted fewer times than almost any other player ahead of him statistically over that period.
Again, it's time to start looking at things in context.
Bottom line, he's a good tight end who's had to focus on pass protection during his career.
Quote:If you're going to throw out a player's best year, it's equally valid to throw out his rookie year when a player is just learning the NFL game. Doing this means he'd average 44 catches a game. Not great perhaps until you realize he's been tatgeted fewer times than almost any other player ahead of him statistically over that period.
Again, it's time to start looking at things in context.
Bottom line, he's a good tight end who's had to focus on pass protection during his career.
I just did the calculations. You said his first and last seasons weren't representative of his career, so I threw them out along with the most unrepresentative season he had, 2010.
What is this magical context that suddenly makes a guy who isn't good seem so good?
Is it that the o-line is terrible? Well, yes, it is terrible, but you can find TEs on the street that are capable of chipping an end.
If Marcedes were really the passing game player that people around here seem to think they'd have figured out a way to put him into all the patterns and let someone else (Greg Jones?) chip the end.
Facts are facts, he's a bottom of the league starter in the passing game, and guys don't generally get drafted in the first round because they're good blockers.
Quote:What is this magical context that suddenly makes a guy who isn't good seem so good?
Nothing magical about it. In this case the context is how the player is asked to perform based on what he's being asked to do. You don't rate Adrian Peterson as a lousy player for example because he had zero sacks, obviously that would be silly.
Quote:Nothing magical about it. In this case the context is how the player is asked to perform based on what he's being asked to do. You don't rate Adrian Peterson as a lousy player for example because he had zero sacks, obviously that would be silly.
Ah, I get it.
So if Luke Joeckel became a long snapper and didn't significantly contribute outside of that but was a really good long snapper you'd still say he was a good pick and good player because he's a good long snapper?
Quote:I know the board is full of homers, but what part of the ACTUAL IMPARTIAL STATISTICS do you have a problem with?
This isn't me saying he's a mediocre player, it's his performance.
This is rich coming from the biggest Gabbert apologist on the board.
Quote:This is rich coming from the biggest Gabbert apologist on the board.
And here's Pirkster with the drive by ad hom.
The thread is now complete.
Goodnight, folks!
Marcedes Lewis is little more than an extra tackle that has just enough athletic ability to be listed a Tight End. Slow, clumsy, and bad hands. Outside of his contract year in 2010 he has been very mediocre. I can see the same people who made excuses for JDR, Gene Smith, and every other average player are back at it again in this very topic.
Outside of 2010 (700 yards) his career high in any season is just over 500 yards.
We have heard all the excuses:
"but but he had to block"
"but he was going through a custody battle"
"but the Jags Qb's sucked so it's not his fault"
I have watched almost every single Jags game since 1995. There were plenty of times that Lewis just flat out dropped balls in crucial moments or just simply couldn't beat the coverage. Ego should come after you have proved something. In his case he should just shut up and be humble. He is no doubt a tremendous blocker but one of the worst receiving tight ends. In today's NFL you need a Tight end that can make plays in the passing game. I really do hope Lewis blows up this year and backs his talk but I am also a very realistic person and don't see that happening.
I find it rather odd that you disregard Marcades' best season Oklahomie. It's kind of unfair to him, because his performance that year was genuine. He and Garrard really had a good thing going towards the end there.
Quote:For all this talk about how 'important' it is to have a receiving TE, take a look at the statistics and see how unimportant it is relative to the team...i.e....the playoffs.
Most of your stud TE are from non-playoff teams. On quick scan on NFL.com I believe 8 of the top 10 were NOT on playoff teams.
Hell, Seattle's best TE was ranked 32.
You don't NEED a stud receiver at TE to be a playoff team.
On the other foot you have teams like The 49ers,Falcons and Saints that have been good for consecutive years and owe a lot of that success to their Te's.
Does anyone really know how good Lewis is/can be? It's not like he has played with other stud players in recent memory that could effect his play.
Quote:And here's Pirkster with the drive by ad hom.
The thread is now complete.
Goodnight, folks!
Guess the truth hurts. Cute way of saying it's your nap time, but then that's a given.
Quote:On the other foot you have teams like The 49ers,Falcons and Saints that have been good for consecutive years and owe a lot of that success to their Te's.
Yeah, Falcons were awesome last year huh?
Quote:Marcedes Lewis is little more than an extra tackle that has just enough athletic ability to be listed a Tight End. Slow, clumsy, and bad hands. Outside of his contract year in 2010 he has been very mediocre. I can see the same people who made excuses for JDR, Gene Smith, and every other average player are back at it again in this very topic.
Outside of 2010 (700 yards) his career high in any season is just over 500 yards.
We have heard all the excuses:
"but but he had to block"
"but he was going through a custody battle"
"but the Jags Qb's sucked so it's not his fault"
I have watched almost every single Jags game since 1995. There were plenty of times that Lewis just flat out dropped balls in crucial moments or just simply couldn't beat the coverage. Ego should come after you have proved something. In his case he should just shut up and be humble. He is no doubt a tremendous blocker but one of the worst receiving tight ends. In today's NFL you need a Tight end that can make plays in the passing game. I really do hope Lewis blows up this year and backs his talk but I am also a very realistic person and don't see that happening.
Let's just discount the fact that there are a lot of TE's with worse drop percentages. He's middle of the pack, so if he has 'bad hands' there are plenty of other as well. Jimmy Graham must suck.
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