Quote:I think it's dangerous to extrapolate from such a small sample size, but I could see his productivity increasing some once Bortles is ready to be a franchise guy just by virtue of having a better QB keeping the offense on the field longer.
Of course there are two major caveats, he has to actually stay healthy, and he's not getting younger, and by the time Bortles is ready to shine the Jaguars may have found a better TE anyway.
I think half of a season is a decent sample size to determine improved play, but that's easily debated.
I think everyone here fully expects Caldwell to find a better TE next offseason. Most of us thought he would have done so a couple of months ago. In the meantime - the overpaid and slump-prone Lewis is our best option and he could very well put up some respectable numbers before his inevitable replacement.
Quote:You're dum.
Quote:You spelled your wrong.
Quote:Your write.
Due you too mind? The grown-ups are having a talk here.
Quote:I think half of a season is a decent sample size to determine improved play, but that's easily debated.
I think everyone here fully expects Caldwell to find a better TE next offseason. Most of us thought he would have done so a couple of months ago. In the meantime - the overpaid and slump-prone Lewis is our best option and he could very well put up some respectable numbers before his inevitable replacement.
Half a season is a sample size that can be quite deceiving.
Especially against the kind of competition that the Jaguars faced.
We have people on this board that are predicting levels of performance out of Henne in 2014 that are unprecedented from him except for the small sample at the end of the 2013 season.
I'll say that nothing is impossible, but when you get an outlier performance it likely is just that rather than being the new norm.
Quote:Half a season is a sample size that can be quite deceiving.
Especially against the kind of competition that the Jaguars faced.
We have people on this board that are predicting levels of performance out of Henne in 2014 that are unprecedented from him except for the small sample at the end of the 2013 season.
I'll say that nothing is impossible, but when you get an outlier performance it likely is just that rather than being the new norm.
Honestly it isn't hard to argue that the second half of last season is the MOST relevant chunk of his career to examine when trying to predict his performance next year, and potentialy further into the future.
Prior to the start of last season the the Jaguars had experienced large changes in management coaching and personnel every year and on a couple of occasions during the year, this creates a pretty dodgy environment if you are trying to use old statistics to project how a player will perform in the future due to the lack of experimental control.
Going into this year he should have the same:
Owner
GM
Coach
OC
QB
The last time he had a similar environment? 2010.
2013: New coach/GM/OC
2012: New Coach/OC/QB
2011: New QBs/Owner (late)/ Coach (late)
I am not saying that he will continue to do well. I am saying that due to the large number of variables, data prior to last season is basically useless.
Since he was injured for the first 6 games of last year, he only played in 10 games. Projecting his stats for a full year based on those 10 games would yield 574 yards and 6TDs. This would put him in the top half of the league for TE passing stats.
Quote:Honestly it isn't hard to argue that the second half of last season is the MOST relevant chunk of his career to examine when trying to predict his performance next year, and potentialy further into the future.
Prior to the start of last season the the Jaguars had experienced large changes in management coaching and personnel every year and on a couple of occasions during the year, this creates a pretty dodgy environment if you are trying to use old statistics to project how a player will perform in the future due to the lack of experimental control.
Going into this year he should have the same:
Owner
GM
Coach
OC
QB
The last time he had a similar environment? 2010.
2013: New coach/GM/OC
2012: New Coach/OC/QB
2011: New QBs/Owner (late)/ Coach (late)
I am not saying that he will continue to do well. I am saying that due to the large number of variables, data prior to last season is basically useless.
Since he was injured for the first 6 games of last year, he only played in 10 games. Projecting his stats for a full year based on those 10 games would yield 574 yards and 6TDs. This would put him in the top half of the league for TE passing stats.
Well put.
Hard to argue against that.
Quote:Honestly it isn't hard to argue that the second half of last season is the MOST relevant chunk of his career to examine when trying to predict his performance next year, and potentialy further into the future.
Prior to the start of last season the the Jaguars had experienced large changes in management coaching and personnel every year and on a couple of occasions during the year, this creates a pretty dodgy environment if you are trying to use old statistics to project how a player will perform in the future due to the lack of experimental control.
Going into this year he should have the same:
Owner
GM
Coach
OC
QB
The last time he had a similar environment? 2010.
2013: New coach/GM/OC
2012: New Coach/OC/QB
2011: New QBs/Owner (late)/ Coach (late)
I am not saying that he will continue to do well. I am saying that due to the large number of variables, data prior to last season is basically useless.
Since he was injured for the first 6 games of last year, he only played in 10 games. Projecting his stats for a full year based on those 10 games would yield 574 yards and 6TDs. This would put him in the top half of the league for TE passing stats.
All while still being an asset to the run game
Quote:Honestly it isn't hard to argue that the second half of last season is the MOST relevant chunk of his career to examine when trying to predict his performance next year, and potentialy further into the future.
Prior to the start of last season the the Jaguars had experienced large changes in management coaching and personnel every year and on a couple of occasions during the year, this creates a pretty dodgy environment if you are trying to use old statistics to project how a player will perform in the future due to the lack of experimental control.
Going into this year he should have the same:
Owner
GM
Coach
OC
QB
The last time he had a similar environment? 2010.
2013: New coach/GM/OC
2012: New Coach/OC/QB
2011: New QBs/Owner (late)/ Coach (late)
I am not saying that he will continue to do well. I am saying that due to the large number of variables, data prior to last season is basically useless.
Since he was injured for the first 6 games of last year, he only played in 10 games. Projecting his stats for a full year based on those 10 games would yield 574 yards and 6TDs. This would put him in the top half of the league for TE passing stats.
You could have just typed the word "excuses". And saved time and bandwidth.
Funny, there are examples of other players under the same circumstances managed to play at a high level.
Quote:You could have just typed the word "excuses". And saved time and bandwidth.
Funny, there are examples of other players under the same circumstances managed to play at a high level.
I thought about posting the same thing yesterday.
Guys that are great shine through the muck around them. Look at MJD in 2011.
Quote:I thought about posting the same thing yesterday.
Guys that are great shine through the muck around them. Look at MJD in 2011.
Then look at 2012 and 2013.
There wasn't much shinning through the muck then.
Quote:Then look at 2012 and 2013.
There wasn't much shinning through the muck then.
MJD?
He's not a great player any more.
Did you think you were being clever?
Quote:MJD?
He's not a great player any more.
Did you think you were being clever?
So now it is just him not the 2-14, 4-12 team around him. Right.
Barring injury I bet they both have their best season since 2011.
Quote:So now it is just him not the 2-14, 4-12 team around him. Right.
Barring injury I bet they both have their best season since 2011.
MJD will be the change of pace back out there. I picture him getting 8 or 9 touches a game at this point.
When I compare these two statements that have come from Jaguars pass catchers this week:
"I don't think anyone can cover me."
and
"I'm taking some time off to deal with personal issues."
I'd just like to give Marcedes a big hug.
Quote:MJD will be the change of pace back out there. I picture him getting 8 or 9 touches a game at this point.
So what? He has done better than the last two years as the change of pace back.
On top of that, McFadden has never played more than 13 games in a season.
He will get plenty of opportunities.
Quote:So now it is just him not the 2-14, 4-12 team around him. Right.
Barring injury I bet they both have their best season since 2011.
What was the 2011 team? Gene Smith was nosediving the team into one of the worst rosters of all time and MJD set the franchise record for rushing yards in a single season.
That's because he was a great player.
Age and injuries have caught up with him, now, but it doesn't change what great players do, they shine through the muck, something that Marcedes has failed to do.
That people are talking about how he can be better because what's around him is finally better is proof enough of what I'm saying, he's not a difference maker, he needs everyone else around him to be the difference.
Quote:So what? He has done better than the last two years as the change of pace back.
On top of that, McFadden has never played more than 13 games in a season.
He will get plenty of opportunities.
He's nearly 30 years old and has had over 1800 carries, over 2100 touches. That's a lot of wear and tear. He was a great player in his day but if he has to carry the load for any extended period of time, he'll probably break down again. Time to move on.
Henne "is" completely inept... What are you talking about...? Somebody's sippin the brew.
My mom can cover Marcedes based on his past production.... he's more interested in MMA than NFL. We should have jumped on Graham when he was looking.
Quote:What was the 2011 team? Gene Smith was nosediving the team into one of the worst rosters of all time and MJD set the franchise record for rushing yards in a single season.
That's because he was a great player.
Age and injuries have caught up with him, now, but it doesn't change what great players do, they shine through the muck, something that Marcedes has failed to do.
That people are talking about how he can be better because what's around him is finally better is proof enough of what I'm saying, he's not a difference maker, he needs everyone else around him to be the difference.
I agree that Lewis isn't a great player. I am arguing that he is an above average passing tight end, and I believe he is a very good blocking tight end.
He is not a transcendent talent, but he is a good ( if overpaid ) piece moving forward.
Quote:I agree that Lewis isn't a great player. I am arguing that he is an above average passing tight end, and I believe he is a very good blocking tight end.
He is not a transcendent talent, but he is a good ( if overpaid ) piece moving forward.
He's actually an average passing TE going by the numbers career average wise. He routinely ranks in the bottom half of the league in most receiving numbers.