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I know it's fun sitting on the moral high horse, but it's getting really annoying watching highly skilled freak athletes with character concerns like Frank Clark, Tyreek Hill, and now David Irving go bonkers for other teams that capitalized on them falling significantly farther than they should have. I see occasional beef towards Hill still, but Clark's is already long forgotten and I'll bet no one even knew Irving had off field issues to begin with. 

 

If a fringe first round talent like Mixon falls to day 3 would you take him and endure the short term PR blowback in order to get a steal for potentially half a decade or more? 

I think mixon is going back to school actually, but I wouldnt love it either way.

No

Isn't he going back to school? But to answer your question, yes I would.

 

My stance has always been that we, as a society, should have zero tolerance for acts of physical violence, but that punishment for this should be left to the judicial system rather than the league.

Hmm, I missed him returning to school my bad. I shall save this question until next year then. 

Quote:If a fringe first round talent like Mixon falls to day 3 would you take him and endure the short term PR blowback in order to get a steal for potentially half a decade or more? 

No.

No.

definitely a valid question though


Practically no one cares about Frank Clark anymore, Tyreeks incident will be a footnote by next season, I havent heard irvings incident with domestic violence mentioned once everything is about that school riot thing. Mixons actions are indefensible but eventually one of those characters is going to make it onto this team and if he is good we're certainly going to rationalize it in order to root for him as a member of the jags just like everyone else.

Pass, I think he'll be one of those guys that's amazing in college and so-so in the pros.

After the Blackmon nightmare...NO!  

Quote:definitely a valid question though


Practically no one cares about Frank Clark anymore, Tyreeks incident will be a footnote by next season, I havent heard irvings incident with domestic violence mentioned once everything is about that school riot thing. Mixons actions are indefensible but eventually one of those characters is going to make it onto this team and if he is good we're certainly going to rationalize it in order to root for him as a member of the jags just like everyone else.

Pretty much. Like I said it's nice to sit on that moral high horse, but someone is going to take advantage of those character guys and they are have a significant leg up on beating you because of it. Is the high horse worth it?

Quote:After the Blackmon nightmare...NO!  

That's different because the character concerns didn't result in getting the great talent at a much lower cost because of it. I'm not saying take a character concern at full price because obviously risk doesn't outweigh reward there. 

He's only twenty years old. I don't think he's coming out this year. And I think by the time he does declare his stock will rise back up to where he should end up being a late day one or early day two pick in 2018 or 2019.

 

But to answer your question. Yes. I believe people deserve second chances. I wouldn't have been against this team signing Ray Rice or Michael Vick either. 

 

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone". 

Yeah we can let this thread die if y'all want since I was dumb and didn't make sure Mixon was still going into the draft.

 

But if you want we can still continue the overall philosophical question part cause that's obviously what it's really about, not just this one example. 

Quote:Pretty much. Like I said it's nice to sit on that moral high horse, but someone is going to take advantage of those character guys and they are have a significant leg up on beating you because of it. Is the high horse worth it?

 

 

Yes. If we have to bring in a bunch of "low-lifes" to win, I'll root for another team. 

Quote:He's only twenty years old. I don't think he's coming out this year. And I think by the time he does declare his stock will rise back up to where he should end up being a late day one or early day two pick in 2018 or 2019.

 

But to answer your question. Yes. I believe people deserve second chances. I wouldn't have been against this team signing Ray Rice or Michael Vick either. 

 

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone". 

 

 

It depends on what that sin is. I can live with non-violent offenses or even fighting between grown men. That kind of stuff happens and most of the time people move on, but if they are intentionally causing harm to someone smaller and weaker than they are (like children, women, animals), there is really something wrong with that person's psyche. I wouldn't touch those players with a 100 foot pole. I am without "that kind" of sin.

Quote:Yes. If we have to bring in a bunch of "low-lifes" to win, I'll root for another team. 

And that's fair, and an opinion which a lot if not most of the fans would agree with. 

Not on my team.

IMO, shouldn't have finished his schooling there. 

 

He should have gotten the ol JrCo kick...

Quote:Yeah we can let this thread die if y'all want since I was dumb and didn't make sure Mixon was still going into the draft.


But if you want we can still continue the overall philosophical question part cause that's obviously what it's really about, not just this one example.

Philosophically, I agree with you on a case by case basis.


If Mixon declared, it seems he is sorry for what he did and he has been largely clean since then. I wouldn't be opposed to drafting him in the right spot.

As others have said, there is room for young men who have made mistakes to turn their life around. However, I tend to think of Telvin with this sentiment. Not someone who absolutely crushes a woman in the face on video.


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