Quote:Oh no... I don't see why anyone here would want Coughlin to assist when it comes to drafting.
why? He brought in all the best players this franchise has ever had. Not to mention he probably had a say so on the Giants players drafted when they won the 2 SB. He has a better eye for talent than anyone we ever had here.
Quote:I think this is embarassing to be honest.What a waste of time and money! If they don't know who the good candidates are they shouldn't own a franchise!
Guess what? Seattle hired same guy for Varroll, Michigan for Harbaugh, and Atlants for Quinn off the top of my mind.
A lot of teans do this in the NFL and college.
Quote:Guess what? Seattle hired same guy for Varroll, Michigan for Harbaugh, and Atlants for Quinn off the top of my mind.
A lot of teans do this in the NFL and college.
For arguments sake, let's pretend hiring this guy was a great idea. Don't you then think firing Gus during the bye would have given this guy more time to do his due diligence?
Quote:It says this guy will ASSIST in the hiring of a new HC not find one and hire him without Caldwell's approval...Big difference between the two...
Not really. If I am an owner, and I hired you to be a General Manager to make these decisions, and I am now going outside of you to help you out. In my eyes, you've failed me for the past four years. It's not uncommon in business to see someone get fired just after a move like this has been made.
But the word "assist" is just a friendly PC word people like to throw around in business when in a reality it's just another way of saying "Hey, you've sucked at this for the past four years and I am here to essentially do your job for you for a small price". This guy Khan is hiring isn't into being a full time general manager, he's just apparently more right than wrong when it comes to finding and assigning talent to other teams.
Caldwell is out of the picture after 2017 if this team fails to produce a winning record or at least break even at 8 - 8. Mark it down.
Good God some of you people are dense. Scouting football talent and finding a coach are two totally different things. I love the idea that getting more opinions that specialize in this particular field is somehow a bad thing.
Quote:Good God some of you people are dense. Scouting football talent and finding a coach are two totally different things. I love the idea that getting more opinions that specialize in this particular field is somehow a bad thing.
Doesn't not identifying that Caldwell isn't very good at his job make you dense?
Quote:Good God some of you people are dense. Scouting football talent and finding a coach are two totally different things. I love the idea that getting more opinions that specialize in this particular field is somehow a bad thing.
It's not a bad thing for this team and fan base. I am all for it. We've won 14 games over the last four years in part thanks to Caldwell's lack of foresight and oversight in personnel decisions and coaching choices. It's not like Caldwell has that much to reflect on as being overly positive with his free agency signings and draft classes.
He personally hired Bradley and he vouched for the man to get an extension not too long ago. So he's very much on the hot seat. I don't think it's hard to see that nor realize that. 2017 could very well be his last year as our general manager. This hiring by Khan is more so for the long haul of his investment in this team and city.
Quote:Doesn't not identifying that Caldwell isn't very good at his job make you dense?
Good lord.
He failed on Gus. This is common knowledge. There is no doubting that the talent level is much better than 2-12 and some coaching staff that wouldn't allow Blake to go from what he did last year to this year, we wouldn't even be in this position. Last HC he hired it didn't work out. Doesn't mean he can't/isn't solid at scouting talent and drafting which is the main thing I want in my GM.
Dimitroff in ATL was the GM when they did this with Dan Quinn. Like seriously, people freaking out about bringing in professional help to help make sure we hit on this hire (which for this fanbase, is an absolute must), what the hell is the problem? Bring in as much help as you need to make sure we don't [BLEEP] up. It's been 9 freaking years since our last winning season.
Quote:I disagree with this. You simply can't expect a brand new HC to take over a 2-14 or 4-12 team and have them at .500 after year one. Caldwell will have plenty more room than that. Hiring him a tool to ensure the best HC doesn't mean he's suddenly on the hot seat, His seat might be starting to get a little bit warm, but Khan is sure to at least give him a couple full seasons with the new HC. I doubt this team has a new GM before the 2020 offseason if that.
Exactly.
These people saying Caldwell is short term are crazy unless Shad forces a HC on a different GM (which makes the GM spot a LOT less desirable and will limit the candidates).
It's going to be 2, maybe 3 years before Caldwell gets let go unless something drastic happens.
Shad Khan is trying to make this place more desirable for people to come to. If we are still losing in 2017 and we fire Caldwell and fire the HC we get. We aren't getting [BLEEP] for a HC.
Quote:I disagree with this. You simply can't expect a brand new HC to take over a 2-14 or 4-12 team and have them at .500 after year one. Caldwell will have plenty more room than that. Hiring him a tool to ensure the best HC doesn't mean he's suddenly on the hot seat, His seat might be starting to get a little bit warm, but Khan is sure to at least give him a couple full seasons with the new HC. I doubt this team has a new GM before the 2020 offseason if that.
Agree to disagree. I think you can expect this team to be flirting with .500 or greater if they're setting a high standard for themselves with the next head coach. Which by all accounts and reports seems that way so far. He's on a short leash in 2017.
If he goes out and hires someone like Tom Coughlin to be our VP of Football operations all bets are off entirely when it comes to Caldwell's future here. Period. This team is supposed to be talented enough RIGHT NOW to be winning this division. I think the expectation for the next coach coming in here is at the minimum a 7 - 9 / 8 - 8 record in a "weak" division as so many professional and armchair analysts like to tout the AFC South as....
Quote:Agree to disagree. I think you can expect this team to be flirting with .500 or greater if they're setting a high standard for themselves with the next head coach. He's on a short leash in 2017. If he goes out and hires someone like Tom Coughlin to be our VP of Football operations all bets are off entirely when it comes to Caldwell's future here. Period.
Your telling me if our defense continues to dominate but we clearly need to draft a QB next year (likely scenario if we are bad, can't win 8-9 games with QB play that isn't good) we are going to fire Caldwell if our defense is clearly a beast which it's turning into with 3 above average talented WR's, a LT, and a C definitely in the fold with this draft+FA to add players?
Yes, agree to disagree for sure.
If we win 2-3 games again, things COULD get interesting. I really don't see that seriously happening. Look at all these close losses we've had and all the youth/rookies players on defense (minus Myles Jack which is insane). Things can obviously turn just like our offense this year, but I don't see how the hell a coach could be nearly as incompetent as Gus. Especially with the list of candidates we're seeing (all better than Gus).
Quote:Nope. Not reading too much into it at all in my opinion. I think it's a good sign that he doesn't have a lot of confidence in Caldwell and that he's thinking after 2017 that they'll have to part ways depending on the win / loss column.
I disagree. It makes no sense to let Caldwell assist in the coaching hire if 2017 is make it or break it for him. Even if a new coach comes and does a great job, who expects a complete turnaround in 1 year? And what if they try to fix Bortles and bring in competition and both of those guys don't pan out.
It would put the incoming coach in a very precarious position if the GM if fired but a new one is hired who may not like him. That could restrict interest in the position.
Caldwell is likely here until the next coach is fired.
Quote:Your telling me if our defense continues to dominate but we clearly need to draft a QB next year (likely scenario if we are bad, can't win 8-9 games with QB play that isn't good) we are going to fire Caldwell if our defense is clearly a beast which it's turning into with 3 above average talented WR's, a LT, and a C definitely in the fold with this draft+FA to add players?
Yes, agree to disagree for sure.
If we win 2-3 games again, things COULD get interesting. I really don't see that seriously happening. Look at all these close losses we've had and all the youth/rookies players on defense (minus Myles Jack which is insane). Things can obviously turn just like our offense this year, but I don't see how the hell a coach could be nearly as incompetent as Gus. Especially with the list of candidates we're seeing (all better than Gus).
That's exactly what I am telling you. Defense still needs work. We lack playmakers off the edge and we lack playmakers in the turnover battle. And I can just as EASILY take your argument about losing close games this year to bolster my argument. If we're within 10 points a game that should be reasonable enough to expect the next coach to find a way to pressure the opposing QB more. To find ways to create or make turnovers. It should be on the next coach to find a QB capable of not gifting points away like Bortles or at least changing his style to protect us better.
7 wins or breaking even at .500 is reasonable.
I'm all for this and as a Jaguars fan...I don't understand why you wouldn't be?
Quote:I disagree. It makes no sense to let Caldwell assist in the coaching hire if 2017 is make it or break it for him. Even if a new coach comes and does a great job, who expects a complete turnaround in 1 year? And what if they try to fix Bortles and bring in competition and both of those guys don't pan out.
It would put the incoming coach in a very precarious position if the GM if fired but a new one is hired who may not like him. That could restrict interest in the position.
Caldwell is likely here until the next coach is fired.
After four straight losing seasons. 14 wins over the past four years. And on a current 9 game losing streak which is the worst in franchise history. I'll tell you who expects a complete turnaround in one year.
Shahid Khan.
Quote:I disagree with this. You simply can't expect a brand new HC to take over a 2-14 or 4-12 team and have them at .500 after year one.
The Titans would disagree.
Quote:The Titans would disagree.
Thank you. As would the Chiefs.
Quote:He did this with Fulham too and Jokanovic is a boss. Hopefully this hire works out as well.
Slaviša Jokanović is a scrub. His win % is under 35%.