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Quote:The same John Idkiz who is currently managing the Jaguars cap space EXTREMELY well.


Best cap manager in the NFL.

Lol cap manager and general manager is a huge difference.

Quote:It would appear so after our GM has failed so miserably on selecting our former head coach and our supposed 'franchise quarterback'. Of course, the 'jury is still out' in some peoples minds regarding Bortles; the rationalization being that Bortles was the victim of poor coaching. Well, I say that our coaches have been to some degree the victim of poor quarterback play from Bortles... but we'll see. 

 

last season bortles lit it up. this season bortles stinks. so should the jury still be out on a young qb who has showed tons of promise that was playing under a coach that has shown the opposite? id say yes. 

 

 

By the way, how is bortles looking today? the actual first week of play after gus gets fired and hes looking like a new qb. 

Quote:A simple "you are right" will suffice, but we already know your "side" will go to the grave before admitting a mistake.

 

I definitely do not think you are right. Hiring the firm just shows a commitment to success. It doubtfully would be detrimental. Everyone always complains "because jaguars" and when they do something to bolster success rate they complain about that too. 

Quote:For arguments sake, let's pretend hiring this guy was a great idea. Don't you then think firing Gus during the bye would have given this guy more time to do his due diligence?

 

So now you are just ignoring the fact that you thought this was a bad idea and youre trying to find another way to blame ownership for issues? why dont you just admit you will never be happy with the franchise unless they decided to take ideas from your genius thought pool?

Quote:Look at his last few drafts for the Jaguars and get back to me.

Strould and Henderson

Quote:Good lord.

 

He failed on Gus. This is common knowledge. There is no doubting that the talent level is much better than 2-12 and some coaching staff that wouldn't allow Blake to go from what he did last year to this year, we wouldn't even be in this position. Last HC he hired it didn't work out. Doesn't mean he can't/isn't solid at scouting talent and drafting which is the main thing I want in my GM.

 

Dimitroff in ATL was the GM when they did this with Dan Quinn. Like seriously, people freaking out about bringing in professional help to help make sure we hit on this hire (which for this fanbase, is an absolute must), what the hell is the problem? Bring in as much help as you need to make sure we don't [BAD WORD REMOVED] up. It's been 9 freaking years since our last winning season.

 

 

Also to keep in mind, when we needed a new coach, by all accounts not a lot of people were interested in taking the jags job. Another aside is that look at the other coaches hired that year....not a ton of success. Dave did all he could. 

Quote:Out of 49 games, he coached them to 17 wins, 15 draws, 17 losses in the 2nd division of English football.


Those are facts.


Here's an opinion for ya: KY doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

I apologize for being a bit of a jerk here but you seem a little confused. Your last statement is actually also a fact. 

Maybe they're looking for a gM as well?

Quote:For arguments sake, let's pretend hiring this guy was a great idea. Don't you then think firing Gus during the bye would have given this guy more time to do his due diligence?

 

When Gus was fired is completely irrelevant to this process.  The team isn't hiring a permanent replacement in December.  All Hughes offers is another tool in the toolbox to be used to identify the best fits for this organization, and present that to Caldwell.  I'm honestly not sure why having well-informed input in making a huge decision like this is somehow a bad thing, but you've certainly tried to spin it that way.

Quote:When Gus was fired is completely irrelevant to this process. The team isn't hiring a permanent replacement in December. All Hughes offers is another tool in the toolbox to be used to identify the best fits for this organization, and present that to Caldwell. I'm honestly not sure why having well-informed input in making a huge decision like this is somehow a bad thing, but you've certainly tried to spin it that way.

I guess I am just confused what the GMs actual responsibility is, that's all.

Quote:Lol cap manager and general manager is a huge difference.

Yet somehow you can't seem to differentiate. 

Quote:I guess I am just confused what the GMs actual responsibility is, that's all.

 

Hiring the coach, which is STILL the case.  Why is it a bad thing for him to have as much information about the potential candidates as possible, provided by a company that has done this for several NFL franchises with more success than failure? I see this as nothing but a positive as the Jaguars are trying to assure they do everything possible to get the right guy.  Why do you have a problem with them doing this?  The company isn't hiring the coach.  They're simply consulting.  How is this a bad thing?

Quote:Is it reading too much into it to suggest Shad doesn't white trust Caldwell to select the new HC?

I would guess that the only person who could definitively answer that question is probably Shad himself. On the surface, Shads action here would suggest that his trust in Dave is shaken to the point that he is acquiring outsider input regarding a new coach selection. But we don't know if that's really his motive or not; this is all speculation and may be completely wrong. Appearances aren't always reality, after all. 

Quote:When Gus was fired is completely irrelevant to this process.  The team isn't hiring a permanent replacement in December.  All Hughes offers is another tool in the toolbox to be used to identify the best fits for this organization, and present that to Caldwell.  I'm honestly not sure why having well-informed input in making a huge decision like this is somehow a bad thing, but you've certainly tried to spin it that way.

Khan also was not sure what he had in Marrone. I will also say this.  If Marrone does the same thing next week.  That would be shutting down not only 2 rivals. But two Playoff chances teams.  So a double spoiler.   

 

And if Dave was to hire someone else and the new HC does not produce the same results.  Dave will be fired by seasons end as well.

Quote:I guess I am just confused what the GMs actual responsibility is, that's all.

Youre treating this as if hes just going to sit in his office and doodle until he gets this firms files to make a decision. Hes going to take what they say into consideration and do what GMs normally do. Its not that difficult to get

Quote:last season bortles lit it up. this season bortles stinks. so should the jury still be out on a young qb who has showed tons of promise that was playing under a coach that has shown the opposite? id say yes. 

 

 

By the way, how is bortles looking today? the actual first week of play after gus gets fired and hes looking like a new qb. 

Last season, Bortles did 'light it up'... at times. At other times, he stunk out loud. This season, he has consistantly stunk out loud... until today when it was too late to produce a meaningful win. Is there a correlation between Bortles production and Gus no longer being here? If there is, then you would also have to wonder if Bortles was intentionally torpedoing the offense because of Gus.

 

WARNING  WARNING  WARNING

CONSPIRACY THEORIST SUGGESTING JAGS QUARTERBACK TANKED GAMES TO GET GUS BRADLY FIRED! ALL FORUM READERS SHOULD WEAR ALUMINUM FOIL HATS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM WACKED CONSPIRACY THEORIST IDEAS.

 

The only rational answer I can offer is... I dunno why all the sudden Bortles is playing at a much higher level than we've seen practically all season. Perhaps someone in a prominent position in the franchise informed him that his franchise quarterback tag isn't unassailable after all and that he had better start producing or he might be riding wood next season. Who knows?

Quote:Last season, Bortles did 'light it up'... at times. At other times, he stunk out loud. This season, he has consistantly stunk out loud... until today when it was too late to produce a meaningful win. Is there a correlation between Bortles production and Gus no longer being here? If there is, then you would also have to wonder if Bortles was intentionally torpedoing the offense because of Gus.

 

WARNING  WARNING  WARNING

CONSPIRACY THEORIST SUGGESTING JAGS QUARTERBACK TANKED GAMES TO GET GUS BRADLY FIRED! ALL FORUM READERS SHOULD WEAR ALUMINUM FOIL HATS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM WACKED CONSPIRACY THEORIST IDEAS.

 

The only rational answer I can offer is... I dunno why all the sudden Bortles is playing at a much higher level than we've seen practically all season. Perhaps someone in a prominent position in the franchise informed him that his franchise quarterback tag isn't unassailable after all and that he had better start producing or he might be riding wood next season. Who knows?

Plus no game is meaningless.  Cause of bonuses.  And if don't hit a certain number won't get paid.   So no game outside of fan perspective is in fact meaningless. 

Quote:Good God some of you people are dense. Scouting football talent and finding a coach are two totally different things. I love the idea that getting more opinions that specialize in this particular field is somehow a bad thing.

 

This.

 

Right now, as a whole... I'm much more comfortable with personnel evaluator Dave than coach evaluator Dave.

 

So, I'm relieved to know Khan has brought in experts in that area.  Dave has been personally put in charge of the selection this time, so for his sake he better pick these guys brains and learn something about their process.  Best practices.  Growth.

As I pondered the process of our Jaguars selecting our next HC, I never considered this option of which Mr. Khan has selected. I'm again impressed w/his decisions. I'd like us to acquire a young Up-n-Coming HC that'll put his finger print on our team for the next ten/fifteen years w/o a doubt. I feel that hiring this firm will accomplish this.


Well Done Mr. Khan...


NH3...

Quote:Look at his last few drafts for the Jaguars and get back to me.

Stroud and Henderson ok what's your point?