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This season has been a nightmare for the whole team cept for a few players here and there. I still believe in him. But If most don't I get it tho.

If he stops playing in the snow I'd love to give him another shot

Quote:By any decent NFL standard, he simply can't throw well enough or read defenses well enough -- both being major understatements. A lethal combination. It won't change, and yes it was all there in 2015 too, a la 2016 at Titans stats, as he has NEVER passed the eye test. I feel sorry for the position he finds himself in, despite the $$$ he's made. He has as much a chance of staying a long term NFL qb as me or my boys do, which means he's out by 2018 and hopefully sooner for Jags' sake. The sooner we realize and acknowledge this, the sooner we can get to becoming a competitive and WINNING football team.

Na...He'll collect a check for a long time.  Henne makes $4M a year and he's thrown more career INTs than TDs.  Amazing he's still alive playing behind this oline.  He'd be better off getting one of those Henne deals somewhere and being able to walk in 15 years.  

Quote:I think we all still have hope, but we still need a backup plan in case this happens again.

Can't really agree with you here. Judging from the reactions of several fans, I get the impression that they are hoping he doesn't improve just so they can say they were right about him.


Anyone who thinks Carr or even Bridgewater would've faired better with Bradley and his bunch are kidding themselves. No QB comes into the league without issues. The difference is that good coaches quietly fix these issues. Bad coaches will either ignore these issues or make them worse if the QB coach isn't qualified to do so.

Quote:Can't really agree with you here. Judging from the reactions of several fans, I get the impression that they are hoping he doesn't improve just so they can say they were right about him.


Anyone who thinks Carr or even Bridgewater would've faired better with Bradley and his bunch are kidding themselves. No QB comes into the league without issues. The difference is that good coaches quietly fix these issues. Bad coaches will either ignore these issues or make them worse if the QB coach isn't qualified to do so.

 

I like the notion that people have the Gus can be a terrible coach, we've had bad OC's, terrible run game, and somehow BB is suppose to overcome that all of the time.

 

What, is he like 3 months older than Wentz?

 

Let's give up on him......

Quote:Can't really agree with you here. Judging from the reactions of several fans, I get the impression that they are hoping he doesn't improve just so they can say they were right about him.

Anyone who thinks Carr or even Bridgewater would've faired better with Bradley and his bunch are kidding themselves. No QB comes into the league without issues. The difference is that good coaches quietly fix these issues. Bad coaches will either ignore these issues or make them worse if the QB coach isn't qualified to do so.

110% disagree and nobody wanted to be wrong more than me, especially last year, but I'm afraid I wasn't then and I'm not now. How can anyone not possibly see what BB has almost single handedly done to this team's chances of winning most every game, especially this year? You don't just "fix" the kind of low level issues he has had (all along), any more than "fixing" an average Joe qb into an NF qb. And, Carr could very well have us at .500, or better.


Anyone who thinks Bortles has shown, or is somehow going to show, anything resembling an NFL franchise qb is more likely the one's "kidding themselves". I can only hope those at 1 Stadium Place are finally waking up to this likely eventuality because I for one am tired of sucking.

Quote:I like the notion that people have the Gus can be a terrible coach, we've had bad OC's, terrible run game, and somehow BB is suppose to overcome that all of the time.

 

What, is he like 3 months older than Wentz?

 

Let's give up on him......

So let's just ignore that the guy can't throw like an NFL qb needs to, and waste 2-3 more years waiting for the magic pumpkin to arrive instead?

Quote:I like the notion that people have the Gus can be a terrible coach, we've had bad OC's, terrible run game, and somehow BB is suppose to overcome that all of the time.

 

What, is he like 3 months older than Wentz?

 

Let's give up on him......

Blake Bortles does not know how to throw a football.

 

If a WR didn't know how to catch, would you give him a 4th year?

If your RB didn't know how to run, do you give him a 4th year?

If the kicker doesn't know how to kick a football, do you give him a 4th year?

 

etc..etc..

 

Blake touches the ground with the ball on his 12 minute windup then proceeds to try and spiral the ball longways to a receiver that is probably not even open. 

Blake has given us one mirage season of inefficient stat compiling sandwiched by two bottom 5 seasons. 

 

I get crossing your fingers and praying, but to believe in it? Yikes.

Information about the Jaguars new HC and coaching staff will probably be the ' A' topic about the team in January and maybe even early February.  Yet,  the other story about the team in that future  time span that potentially jumps out is whether there will be a report about Blake Bortles playing with a significant injury for at least most of the 2016 season?    If Bortles has been playing with an injury in which surgery,  rehab,  and/ or rest could realistically cure,   that might be a best case scenario for the Jaguars under the circumstance of Bortles'  2016 season collective performance.

Throw the baby out with the bathwater ...

 

1. Admit that we have seen Blake play pretty damn impressive ball at times (you know you have)

2. Admit he actually had some really good throws this year as well (he actually has)

3. Admit select interceptions were deflections off of the hands, or feet of our offensive players (this is true)

4. Admit he made some terrible decisions (like really bad decisions)

5. Admit he's having some serious mechanical issues and throwing ducks (right now, the ugliest ball in sports)

6. Admit he's still very young (this is true)

 

I see a glass half full. Though I wouldn't give him the keys until after I saw him looking much more capable of things in camp.

Quote:Information about the Jaguars new HC and coaching staff will probably be the ' A' topic about the team in January and maybe even early February.  Yet,  the other story about the team in that future  time span that potentially jumps out is whether there will be a report about Blake Bortles playing with a significant injury for at least most of the 2016 season?    If Bortles has been playing with an injury in which surgery,  rehab,  and/ or rest could realistically cure,   that might be a best case scenario for the Jaguars under the circumstance of Bortles'  2016 season collective performance.

Again, if he is playing hurt it has been since before the preseason even started. He came out firing ducks preseason week 1. 

I would like to think all Jags fans have hope for BB6 but the people in charge need to have plan B ready JUST IN CASE.

When homeboy steps into his throws and doesn't just try to force-float the ball sideways off of his back foot, he still play.

 

I just think he is panicking and trying to make miracles happen when A-Rob started physically shut down by more physical corners. D-coordinators saw how they did their long ball last season and figured it out and took it away.

Quote:Again, if he is playing hurt it has been since before the preseason even started. He came out firing ducks preseason week 1. 

 

  If it's not an injury that's caused this,  I think it's more likely than not by a significant margin that the Jaguars QB who will eventually be the long term solution for the team is currently not on their roster.  

Quote:Throw the baby out with the bathwater ...

 

1. Admit that we have seen Blake play pretty damn impressive ball at times (you know you have)

2. Admit he actually had some really good throws this year as well (he actually has)

3. Admit select interceptions were deflections off of the hands, or feet of our offensive players (this is true)

4. Admit he made some terrible decisions (like really bad decisions)

5. Admit he's having some serious mechanical issues and throwing ducks (right now, the ugliest ball in sports)

6. Admit he's still very young (this is true)

 

I see a glass half full. Though I wouldn't give him the keys until after I saw him looking much more capable of things in camp.

1 & 2. Yeah, he has some nice throws. So does every QB, even the bad ones. Case friggin Keenum went 27-32 for 321 yards (10.1 YPA) and 3 TDs at Detroit. No one would say he is good or deserves faith, yet he embarrassed Blake against the same opponent this year.

3. The deflected interceptions were still really bad throws. The only one that wasn't was the one against Denver that Harris Jr. got. 

4 & 5. No argument

6. He ain't that young, and he certainly isn't inexperienced. He has a full seasons worth of starts more than Blaine got, and he is more than half a year older than Gabbert was too. 

Quote:1 & 2. Yeah, he has some nice throws. So does every QB, even the bad ones. Case friggin Keenum went 27-32 for 321 yards (10.1 YPA) and 3 TDs at Detroit. No one would say he is good or deserves faith, yet he embarrassed Blake against the same opponent this year.

3. The deflected interceptions were still really bad throws. The only one that wasn't was the one against Denver that Harris Jr. got. 

4 & 5. No argument

6. He ain't that young, and he certainly isn't inexperienced. He has a full seasons worth of starts more than Blaine got, and he is more than half a year older than Gabbert was too. 

 

   Though the Lions Defense was playing much better by the time of the game against the Jaguars than 5 weeks earlier against the Rams,  in truth Case Keenum threw the ball noticeably better than Blake Bortles did.   I'm not sure to what extent the two 1st QTR hits had on Bortles.  But from a physical throwing standpoint,  he was noticeably limited compared to the other QBs the team faced this season.    Including Brian Hoyer and Brock Osweiler.     I never would have expected this before the season began.   At that time,  I was anticipating Bortles to be one of the top QB opponents of the season.

He is pretty much done.  Unless..... The light comes on. 

Fingers crossed man.

 

It would be SO MUCH BETTER and faster if the kid bounced back and started playing better. It could take a decade to replace him with someone better considering how unpredictable this position is.

 

In my mind (I may be nuts) ... he's flashed stuff that Byron, David, and Blaine never did (though David was more careful with the ball, usually, except for that one game vs. TN).

 

Maybe we just need a quick reset as an offense. Not the whole, eject the game from the console, blow on it, rub fingers on the inside of the cartridge, put it back in, and hold reset then power up kind of restart. But the quick OFF-ON kind of thing a single off season  and new staff could provide. 

I am not exactly sure how often this was brought up in these forums, but would the price be too high to trade for AJ McCarron?  From the few times I've seen him, he looked pretty darn good filling in for Dalton.  If Bortles wants to prove it, what better way than to provide some stiff competition at the QB position.  AJ's contract ends next year correct?  Due to the current state of the team as a result of the Bradley regime, it's not exactly easy to gauge Bortles 100% (although he has been vastly underwhelming).  Would we rather gamble on a QB in the draft with an offense that, under the right coach (and perhaps an O-lineman or two), could function like a well-oiled machine with seasoned players?  Thoughts?