I wanna believe BB can turn I to that franchise QB the Jags so desperately need.
But, what we've seen from him so far (compared to other QBs that we've watched throughout many years of NFL football seasons), it does not look good.
After the Tennessee game, an ESPN reporter that has ties to a Jaguars offensive player reported:
"I talked to the offensive member of the Jaguars, and he said 'I just don't believe we have the right QB'".
When offensive players are claiming they don't have the right QB, that's a MAJOR RED FLAG, and reinforces what most fans are seeing during games (specifically when it's a player like Beachum that came from playing with a successful QB).
You could even see looks from WRs that didn't show they had much confidence in BB (AROB's glare in the huddle).
Bortles has looked terrible. Offensive players are commenting that he's not the right QB.
Bortles needs a miracle turnaround season next year. If not, he's toast.
Don't we all have hopes for Blake?
Quote:Don't we all have hopes for Blake?
No. Did everyone have hopes for Byron? No. Clearly there were those rooting against him, despite the fact he was a Jag, from Day 1.
Quote:No. Did everyone have hopes for Byron? No. Clearly there were those rooting against him, despite the fact he was a Jag, from Day 1.
I think some aren't able to see the difference between hoping for something and what you think might happen.
Everyone on here wants Blake to succeed because if he does, the Jags succeed.
Here are a few amazing stats, to me anyway....
We've run 912 scrimmage plays, Of those, 86 of them have been where we needed more than 10 yards. 86 times we have put ourselves in the hole.
We've had 161 drives. Again, 86 times we've been 10 yards or longer.
That's roughly every other drive we are in the hole.
Talk about a recipe for failure.........
Quote:I think some aren't able to see the difference between hoping for something and what you think might happen.
Everyone on here wants Blake to succeed because if he does, the Jags succeed.
I do think there are some who would rather see Blake fail than succeed.
Does that make sense? Nope.
It certainly seems that way.
Quote:If Jags are serious about letting Bortles improve, they need to go for broke on linemen in FA and the draft. His mechanics will never improve behind this line. He needs easy throws.
Quote:No only that, but he needs a line that can effectively run block, and ideally, a guy who excels at developing QBs/calling plays. (Sean Payton)
Getting into more favorable 3rd Down situations is important for any QB. That much more for a QB like Blake Bortles, who as Bullseye mentioned earlier in the thread has at least somewhat been following an early NFL career path of David Carr.
Related to this, when the Giants were able to often get rookie Pro Bowl voted QB Dak Prescott into 3rd and Long situations, questions about whether the Cowboys would be better off with Tony Romo in the playoffs emerged. Those questions haven't been voiced much this week once the Cowboys running game got back on track against the Bucs. Though there have been a number of major issues with Blake Bortles this season, it's fair to say that he would be having a much better season if he was surrounded by even close to the running game the Cowboys usually produce.
Well it is obvious that he will never be a franchise QB, one that can carry a team on his back like a young Peyton or Drew Brees but given a good coach, OLine, and running game he can be serviceable QB
Quote:Here are a few amazing stats, to me anyway....
We've run 912 scrimmage plays, Of those, 86 of them have been where we needed more than 10 yards. 86 times we have put ourselves in the hole.
We've had 161 drives. Again, 86 times we've been 10 yards or longer.
That's roughly every other drive we are in the hole.
Talk about a recipe for failure.........
Combined with the turnover differential, what you mentioned is probably the # 1 reason on the field why the Jaguars are 2-12 with a franchise record 9 game losing streak. Blake Bortles is the player most responsible for the Jaguars record this season. But he's certainly not had remotely close to enough help from at least many of his Offensive teammates and some teammates on other units.
One more offseason. On more season. And we will see if he can be our QB for the future.
It's exciting, and scary at the same time.
Quote:I don't know that Sean Payton is any kind of QB guru. He's a brilliant play caller and tactician - but he has to have a very good triggerman.
It can be said that Drew Brees made Payton as much as Payton made Brees. The Drew Breeses don't come along all that often
I won't automatically expect Bortles fundamentals to be particularly better just because Payton is calling the plays.
One x factor at least as a HC is how Sean Payton would do with a QB other than Drew Brees. Being that Brees has started 15 or more games each season in his time with the Saints, it's hard to say how much of Brees' success is due to Payton.
Related to this, when Saints QB Coach Joe Lombardi became the Lions OC In 2014, he brought the Saints Offensive system with him. As talented as Matthew Stafford is, the Lions Offense wasn't effective enough under Lombardi in his 24 games with the team ( including a playoff game ), before being fired after game # 7 last season. Maybe the issue was largely Lombardi. But it's also possible that Drew Brees is one of the very few QBs that can execute in this Offensive scheme effectively enough. This is also an Offensive scheme with VERY complex pass protection assignments. That's what led to Lombardi being fired by the Lions and ending back with the Saints as their QB Coach,
Quote:By any decent NFL standard, he simply can't throw well enough or read defenses well enough -- both being major understatements. A lethal combination. It won't change, and yes it was all there in 2015 too, a la 2016 at Titans stats, as he has NEVER passed the eye test. I feel sorry for the position he finds himself in, despite the $$$ he's made. He has as much a chance of staying a long term NFL qb as me or my boys do, which means he's out by 2018 and hopefully sooner for Jags' sake. The sooner we realize and acknowledge this, the sooner we can get to becoming a competitive and WINNING football team.
Blake reads defenses just fine for a 3rd year QB, he just has bad mechanics so his passes are off way more then you like
Quote:I don't know that Sean Payton is any kind of QB guru. He's a brilliant play caller and tactician - but he has to have a very good triggerman.
It can be said that Drew Brees made Payton as much as Payton made Brees. The Drew Breeses don't come along all that often
I won't automatically expect Bortles fundamentals to be particularly better just because Payton is calling the plays.
Sean Payton was a QBs coach for like 10 years before he was HC of NO, some of his stints he were OC/QB coach, and Brees was not Brees before he got to NO under Payton
Quote:Sean Payton was a QBs coach for like 10 years before he was HC of NO, some of his stints he were OC/QB coach, and Brees was not Brees before he got to NO under Payton
Bill Parcells certainly thinks very highly of the work Sean Payton did with Dallas.
Even with that and what you mentioned overall, my gut feeling is both Sean Payton and Drew Brees benefited greatly by working with each other. It's a credit to both of them for what they accomplished in New Orleans. But it's fair to speculate on whether both would have had HOF caliber careers w/o each other.
Quote:I don't know that Sean Payton is any kind of QB guru. He's a brilliant play caller and tactician - but he has to have a very good triggerman.
It can be said that Drew Brees made Payton as much as Payton made Brees. The Drew Breeses don't come along all that often
I won't automatically expect Bortles fundamentals to be particularly better just because Payton is calling the plays.
Kerry Collins had his best year with Payton as offensive coordinator, after working under him a year as QB coach. They reached the Super Bowl that year (2000).
Tangentially, as I was doing research for this response, I stumbled across the coaching staff for Dallas under Bill Parcells between 2003-2005.
That staff included:
HC: Parcells
Off. Cord.: Sean Payton
Def. Coord: Mike Zimmer
Sec coach: Todd Bowles
WRs coach/passing game coordinator: Todd Haley
RB coach: Anthony Lynn
OL coach: Tony Sparano.
That was an amazing coaching staff.
Quote:Kerry Collins had his best year with Payton as offensive coordinator, after working under him a year as QB coach.
Tangentially, as I was doing research for this response, I stumbled across the coaching staff for Dallas under Bill Parcells between 2003-2003.
That staff included:
HC: Parcells
Off. Cord.: Sean Payton
Def. Coord: Mike Zimmer
Sec coach: Todd Bowles
WRs coach/passing game coordinator: Todd Haley
RB coach: Anthony Lynn
OL coach: Tony Sparano.
That was an amazing coaching staff.
Wow...
Quote:Kerry Collins had his best year with Payton as offensive coordinator, after working under him a year as QB coach.
Tangentially, as I was doing research for this response, I stumbled across the coaching staff for Dallas under Bill Parcells between 2003-2003.
That staff included:
HC: Parcells
Off. Cord.: Sean Payton
Def. Coord: Mike Zimmer
Sec coach: Todd Bowles
WRs coach/passing game coordinator: Todd Haley
RB coach: Anthony Lynn
OL coach: Tony Sparano.
That was an amazing coaching staff.
It sure is.
Yet another reason why Bill Parcells was one of the best HCs in NFL history. Tom Coughlin and the Jaguars as a whole certainly benefited greatly in their early seasons because of Parcells' influence.
Lol keep hope alive... I don't believe Blake can remain a consistently accurate qb. When it all hits the fan, Blake revert back to poor footwork and bad mechanics, which in general causes turnovers and hurt the team.. When is this organization and fan base gonna get a short lease on the players and coaches when they don't perform like they should?
Quote:Wow...
Quote: It sure is.
Yet another reason why Bill Parcells was one of the best HCs in NFL history. Tom Coughlin and the Jaguars as a whole certainly benefited greatly in their early seasons because of Parcells' influence.
Interesting that during those three years, they had three different QBs (Quincy Freaking Carter, Testaverde and Bledsoe), had two winning seasons, and never finished higher than 2nd in the division.
Goes to show that not every team failure is automatically attributable to bad coaching.
Quote:Interesting that during those three years, they had three different QBs (Quincy Freaking Carter, Testaverde and Bledsoe), had two winning seasons, and never finished higher than 2nd in the division.
Goes to show that not every team failure is automatically attributable to bad coaching.
When considering where those 3 QBs were at that point of their NFL careers ( especially the two long time veterans ) and that the Cowboys were 5-11 the previous 3 seasons before Bill Parcells came to Dallas to coach, it's a credit to him and his staff they won as much as they did.
One major reason why I think it would make a great amount of sense for the Jaguars to bring back Tom Coughlin as HC Is I think he can change the culture of the franchise much like Parcells did with the Patriots, Jets, and Cowboys. Even if TC only coaches 3 seasons, the Jaguars should be in a much better place moving forward.