Quote: When considering where those 3 QBs were at that point of their NFL careers ( especially the two long time veterans ) and that the Cowboys were 5-11 the previous 3 seasons before Bill Parcells came to Dallas to coach, it's a credit to him and his staff they won as much as they did.
One major reason why I think it would make a great amount of sense for the Jaguars to bring back Tom Coughlin as HC Is I think he can change the culture of the franchise much like Parcells did with the Patriots, Jets, and Cowboys. Even if TC only coaches 3 seasons, the Jaguars should be in a much better place moving forward.
Though I have misgivings about TCs age, I think he would be an excellent hire here on any number of levels. He would instill discipline here. He should fix the offense, making the line a better pass blocking unit and getting the most out of a power back like Ivory. I think his passing game would really utilize AR15, Hurns, and Lee. His defensive philosophy would fit most of our personnel.
But getting back to the Parcells coaching tree, I'm wondering if Parcell's greatest ability is identifying good coaches, because in addition to that staff, he has had coaching staffs with Coughlin, Belichick and Romeo Crennel under him as well.
In fact, I can recall an ESPN 30 for 30 that chronicled the 1995 Cleveland Browns. On staff and in the FO, they had Belicheck, Pioli, Nick Saban, Ozzie Newsome, Eric Mangini, and Jim Schwartz.
I can only hope that we can accumulate that level of quality coaching and front office staff here.
Quote:Though I have misgivings about TCs age, I think he would be an excellent hire here on any number of levels. He would instill discipline here. He should fix the offense, making the line a better pass blocking unit and getting the most out of a power back like Ivory. I think his passing game would really utilize AR15, Hurns, and Lee. His defensive philosophy would fit most of our personnel.
But getting back to the Parcells coaching tree, I'm wondering if Parcell's greatest ability is identifying good coaches, because in addition to that staff, he has had coaching staffs with Coughlin, Belichick and Romeo Crennel under him as well.
In fact, I can recall an ESPN 30 for 30 that chronicled the 1995 Cleveland Browns. On staff and in the FO, they had Belicheck, Pioli, Nick Saban, Ozzie Newsome, Eric Mangini, and Jim Schwartz.
I can only hope that we can accumulate that level of quality coaching and front office staff here.
As much credit as Paul Brown/ Bill Walsh get for their coaching tree, the Bill Parcells/ BIll Belichick tree, both in terms of coaching and front office people, is probably right up there with the Brown/ Walsh tree,
All this aside......we NEED an experienced coach , who isn't afraid to bench or trade bbint, competition for bbint by signing/trading for a decent vet along with playing Allen these last two games (especilly if bbint starts scrooing up) as well as keeping an open mind in the draft. Also, lets trade this high first rounder for picks in 2nd and 3rd.
Our track record with firsts rounds isn't very good.
Quote:No. Did everyone have hopes for Byron? No. Clearly there were those rooting against him, despite the fact he was a Jag, from Day 1.
If that is so, I have to believe that is a miniscule and insignificant number of people. If you think I'm one of those, just because I'm pretty vocal negative on Bortles now, you'd be dead wrong. There is a difference between coming to the strong opinion/realization we have the wrong guy at the most key spot and wanting to move forward for the good of the team, versus "rooting against" someone from day 1. What would be the purpose of a true Jags fan (pre day 1 in my case) rooting against their qb? Though, full disclosure, I had serious doubts about both of those qb's from day 1, while I still bought and own jerseys that bear each of their names. I cheered hard for them at games, etc., hoping my doubts were unfounded as I only want what's good for the Jags. Right now my fears all along about Bortles are resoundingly proving out true, unfortunately, and my strong opinion is that we'd better prepare to move on, lest we just suck for more years to come. Btw, for what it's worth, at least Byron (crazy long wind up and all, and erratic) could routinely throw an NFL elite caliber ball -- on a rope, with a tight spiral, into a tight space, a hell of a lot better than Bortles ever could.
Quote:If Jags are serious about letting Bortles improve, they need to go for broke on linemen in FA and the draft. His mechanics will never improve behind this line. He needs easy throws.
The problem is that there is no such thing as an easy throw for Blake. The way that he stares down his receivers while he winds up takes so long that the gimme throws like the slants that Carr picked on Prince with are hard for Blake because the DB has so much time to diagnose and react. Not to mention they are off target and behind the receiver so they often get knocked up in the air for INTs as has happened multiple times.
Quote:Blake reads defenses just fine for a 3rd year QB, he just has bad mechanics so his passes are off way more then you like
I think Blake kind of knew what he was doing last year when teams played cover 3 for the most part.
This year teams are playing a majority cover 2 and it doesn't look like Blake has a clue what to do with it.
Quote:That body language [BAD WORD REMOVED] me off. Probably the biggest reason I have given up on Bortles.
Funny because people used to hate Garrard for smiling too much. He gets annoyed after bad plays, I don't see what's wrong with that.
Quote:110% disagree and nobody wanted to be wrong more than me, especially last year, but I'm afraid I wasn't then and I'm not now. How can anyone not possibly see what BB has almost single handedly done to this team's chances of winning most every game, especially this year? You don't just "fix" the kind of low level issues he has had (all along), any more than "fixing" an average Joe qb into an NF qb. And, Carr could very well have us at .500, or better.
Anyone who thinks Bortles has shown, or is somehow going to show, anything resembling an NFL franchise qb is more likely the one's "kidding themselves". I can only hope those at 1 Stadium Place are finally waking up to this likely eventuality because I for one am tired of sucking.
Stop right there, dude.
Out of the number of issues QBs have coming into the league, throwing mechanics and foot work are the most common issues and the ones good coaches know how to fix. The problem comes when a coach who doesn't understand how QBs work on that level will either ignore the problem - which is what Bradley did; Blake had to do it on his own after his rookie season - or they hire the wrong guy as the QB coach - which is what happened when Del Rio was head coach here.
His issue was (and still is) mostly decision making - and while Bortles will always be on the slightly higher end of INTs, he can at least get them down to around 11-14 a year - it comes with being a gunslinger. Brett Favre had at least 8 season where he threw 17 or more INTs in a season. A QB needs to be disciplined into throwing less INTs. The ones that come into the league without that problem are the ones who had excellent coaches at the college level.
Despite his decision making, Blake proved that he CAN throw the ball last year. I don't know what is with you people, but last year existed - whether you want to admit it or not. Blake stopped working on his mechanics - and that was a mistake on his part - but the coaching staff is suppose to push him to begin with and they NEVER did that at ANY point.
Jaws - who is one of the best evaluators of QB talent - still believes that Bortles can succeed, but needs to be pushed by a competent coaching staff - just like any young QB. Go look at Eli Manning's first 4 seasons and you tell me if those years were good - and that was with a good staff. If any market was going to dump a QB fast, it would've been NY.
Sorry, but I don't believe in ditching a player just because he had a bad season after having a really good one. Now, if we bring in a good staff and Bortles shows no improvement in his mechanics and puts up bad numbers, then you start throwing stones. By that time, the draft should have a better answer than this year's version. Sorry, but the QBs in this year's draft are all projects that may require another 3 years to get up to speed - and we may end up passing on a potentially great QB in between should Bortles not work out.
Quote:Stop right there, dude.
Out of the number of issues QBs have coming into the league, throwing mechanics and foot work are the most common issues and the ones good coaches know how to fix. The problem comes when a coach who doesn't understand how QBs work on that level will either ignore the problem - which is what Bradley did; Blake had to do it on his own after his rookie season - or they hire the wrong guy as the QB coach - which is what happened when Del Rio was head coach here.
His issue was (and still is) mostly decision making - and while Bortles will always be on the slightly higher end of INTs, he can at least get them down to around 11-14 a year - it comes with being a gunslinger. Brett Favre had at least 8 season where he threw 17 or more INTs in a season. A QB needs to be disciplined into throwing less INTs. The ones that come into the league without that problem are the ones who had excellent coaches at the college level.
Despite his decision making, Blake proved that he CAN throw the ball last year. I don't know what is with you people, but last year existed - whether you want to admit it or not. Blake stopped working on his mechanics - and that was a mistake on his part - but the coaching staff is suppose to push him to begin with and they NEVER did that at ANY point.
Jaws - who is one of the best evaluators of QB talent - still believes that Bortles can succeed, but needs to be pushed by a competent coaching staff - just like any young QB. Go look at Eli Manning's first 4 seasons and you tell me if those years were good - and that was with a good staff. If any market was going to dump a QB fast, it would've been NY.
Sorry, but I don't believe in ditching a player just because he had a bad season after having a really good one. Now, if we bring in a good staff and Bortles shows no improvement in his mechanics and puts up bad numbers, then you start throwing stones. By that time, the draft should have a better answer than this year's version. Sorry, but the QBs in this year's draft are all projects that may require another 3 years to get up to speed - and we may end up passing on a potentially great QB in between should Bortles not work out.
uh, nope. Dude can't throw to Nfl standards. Period.
Quote:Don't we all have hopes for Blake?
If you support Blake then you'd want a strong line and balance on offense. If you don't, then you'd want an older veteran or rookie to step up. You need a strong line and balance on offense.
Quote:Stop right there, dude.
Out of the number of issues QBs have coming into the league, throwing mechanics and foot work are the most common issues and the ones good coaches know how to fix. The problem comes when a coach who doesn't understand how QBs work on that level will either ignore the problem - which is what Bradley did; Blake had to do it on his own after his rookie season - or they hire the wrong guy as the QB coach - which is what happened when Del Rio was head coach here.
His issue was (and still is) mostly decision making - and while Bortles will always be on the slightly higher end of INTs, he can at least get them down to around 11-14 a year - it comes with being a gunslinger. Brett Favre had at least 8 season where he threw 17 or more INTs in a season. A QB needs to be disciplined into throwing less INTs. The ones that come into the league without that problem are the ones who had excellent coaches at the college level.
Despite his decision making, Blake proved that he CAN throw the ball last year. I don't know what is with you people, but last year existed - whether you want to admit it or not. Blake stopped working on his mechanics - and that was a mistake on his part - but the coaching staff is suppose to push him to begin with and they NEVER did that at ANY point.
Jaws - who is one of the best evaluators of QB talent - still believes that Bortles can succeed, but needs to be pushed by a competent coaching staff - just like any young QB. Go look at Eli Manning's first 4 seasons and you tell me if those years were good - and that was with a good staff. If any market was going to dump a QB fast, it would've been NY.
Sorry, but I don't believe in ditching a player just because he had a bad season after having a really good one. Now, if we bring in a good staff and Bortles shows no improvement in his mechanics and puts up bad numbers, then you start throwing stones. By that time, the draft should have a better answer than this year's version. Sorry, but the QBs in this year's draft are all projects that may require another 3 years to get up to speed - and we may end up passing on a potentially great QB in between should Bortles not work out.
How do you know the coaching staff wasn't helping him? Why can't it be as simple as Blake is not an NFL quarterback?
Quote:If you support Blake then you'd want a strong line and balance on offense. If you don't, then you'd want an older veteran or rookie to step up. You need a strong line and balance on offense.
I, for one, support the Jags and whoever is our QB. And I'm not here to say "I told you so", but I saw this train wreck coming when almost everyone was pointing to BS 2015 stats while my eyes told me our qb was not a good Nfl caliber thrower, much less on any cusp of "elite". I really hoped I would be wrong, but it sure appears I wasn't. So here we are a full year later and our worst season ever during a full decade of mediocre to suck. So I'll say it again today, "I HOPE I'M WRONG", and I'll be thrilled to have to come back mid 2017 season and admit to being the dumb***. But we better have a plan B!
It's just flat out impossible to reason with someone who truly believes Blake had a great year last year.
Quote:I'm one who thinks competition will mean nothing to him he's going to out practice an out perform any one we bring in even the delusional Romo Cutler an fitz fans who r seasoned vets an turn the ball over more but I'm biased for sure half his picks r from lee or Robison flailing kicking in the air throwing the ball right into the defenders hands i can count atleast 4 or 5 from just from lee not catching the initial pass an that was the first 6-7 weeks but well see I hope to god we sign one of these old bums so I can watch grown folks cry about something new every day boohoo I called for Romo An he got hurt the first play boohoo I called for fittz/cutler he threw 5 picks in two minutes boohoo as a fan base that called for Tebow lol ya we can really evaluate what we have an what we don't
How do you expect people to read this [BLEEP]? Really.
Quote:How do you expect people to read this [BAD WORD REMOVED]? Really.
C'mon Rico.. It's only one sentence..
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@Lriddickespn QB's coached by #Jaguars staff at Senior Bowl:
'14 - Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo
'16 - Dak Prescott
Quote:@Lriddickespn QB's coached by #Jaguars staff at Senior Bowl:
'14 - Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo
'16 - Dak Prescott
Welll... I'm inundated with all things Cowboy here in the Dallas area, go figure. Zek bought his lineman hunting 4 wheelers here. The team has a very good line. I think we need to get a cohesive unit going.
Quote:uh, nope. Dude can't throw to Nfl standards. Period.
Let me say this again: Jaws thinks he has the talent to succeed.
Compared to a QB expert, your opinion on what you believe to be "NFL standards" means nothing.
Quote:How do you know the coaching staff wasn't helping him? Why can't it be as simple as Blake is not an NFL quarterback?
Are really that desperate to defend the way Bradley ran things? The ENTIRE OFFENSE was bad, not just Bortles. Gus was well known for his lack of adjustment. It's not that far fetched to think he didn't adjust Bortles' training.
If Bortles really had no chance, he would've sucked even in garbage time. Go look at Blaine Gabbert - he had plenty of garbage time and he STILL sucked. Bortles didn't have a pro bowl season last season, but it was far from bad.