Pretty much everyone is using analytics in some form, and they all compound that with traditional scouts too. This fear of numbers thing is asinine.
Quote:J-Dub's cat
I don't have a cat.
Quote:For every Theo Epstein there is Billy Beane.
I wouldn't call Billy Beane unsuccessful. He hasn't won a WS but since he took over in Oakland, only the Yankees, Cardinals and Braves have more post season appearances. Analytics are like any other tool, if you use it properly, you'll have success.
Quote:Analytics clearly dont work. I hope Shad sends Tony on an errand when interviewing candidates. Tonys wizardry will scare any decent person off.
If Dave followed analytics we'd have Beasley instead of Fowler.
All I know is if I was Tony Khan, the only thing I would need to calculate is how many 8-10's I'd be inviting on my yacht
Seems to me the huge variable in using analytics is how variable the results players produce.
I mean players have good days and bad days......look at bbint, he has good quarters and bad quarters,
How in the world do you take all of this into account and produce any kind of usable result?
My old favorite saying....
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Quote:This is not a knock against Tony, but I think it is human nature to be annoyed by someone in a position they haven't exactly earned through hard work.
The word is *jealousy*.
This thread is like people are casting around for someone new to insult. The head coach is gone, we have multiple threads about Dave Caldwell, how about we insult the owner's son?
From everything I know Tony Khan is a smart guy who works hard and wants the Jaguars to win as much or more than any of us. So why are we starting a thread to insult the guy? This is idiotic.
And if he's man enough to be a part of the conversation between Caldwell and Bradley when Bradley got fired, good for him. I don't know how many of you have had to fire people, but it isn't an easy thing to do.
Quote:I would not be surprised in the least if Tony Khan moves the team when he takes official control from his father. The fan base is hostile toward him and there are a bunch of other cities that he knows would LOVE to have an NFL team. He has zero connections to Jacksonville and truthfully, if he moved the team to London or something, the value of the franchise would essentially double.
That is why I don't get all the hostility toward Tony. Is he the best analytics guru in the world? Probably not. But when the fan base mocks and derides his decision making, we shouldn't be surprised in the least that the toes we step on today will be connected to the [BAD WORD REMOVED] we have to kiss tomorrow. Tony is going to move this team, and I don't blame him. If I owned an NFL team in a town where I knew people didn't want me, I would move too.
what makes you think people don' t want Tony Khan? (comments on this board which represents less then one percent of the fan base) Please it was bad enough to have to here the media for years claiming Khan will move the team. All Khan has been doing since he purchased the team is spend millions on upgrading the stadium instead of letting it run down for an excuse to move. No one in thier right mind would spend millions on up grading a stadium if they had any thoughts of moving the team.
Quote:Tony Khan reminds me of the kid from The Toy.
HA. Same thoughts.
Good Lord there are some ignorant, moronic posts in this thread.
Some of you have let the teams record influence your posting to the point of idiocy. Some of you should be embarrassed and ashamed. You know who you are.
I am convinced this team could go undefeated and win the Superbowl two years running and some of you clowns would still be here complaining.
Quote:I'd love to see you try to convince Theo Epstein of that statement's validity.
Theo Epstein has an open checkbook to sign players. Anyone of us could drain a farm system to sign a reliever only to see him return to his original team at the end of the year. It worked for the Cubs immediate season but don't tell me this is analytics.
The Yankees received a four-player package, headlined by top shortstop prospect Gleyber Torres, in exchange for Chapman
Quote:Baseball seems easier to calculate because of how binary the sport seems and how many active players are moving at once(which is not a lot compared to football).
Football is just so different, so many different possible outcomes because there are 22 players on the field at once moving at full speed.
I agree with this. Baseball was a numbers sport. Football and basketball (both of which are trying to infuse analytics into their games) are far less numbers-reliant. There's room for it, but it will not have the same impact that it did in baseball.
Quote:Good Lord there are some ignorant, moronic posts in this thread. Some of you have let the teams record influence your posting to the point of idiocy. Some of you should be embarrassed and ashamed. You know who you are.
I am convinced this team could go undefeated and win the Superbowl two years running and some of you clowns would still be here complaining.
You talk about others sounding moronic then you follow up your statement with a very moronic comment. What gives :whistling: :no:
Quote:You talk about others sounding moronic then you follow up your statement with a very moronic comment. What gives :whistling: :no:
I believe it to be true that's what gives.
Quote:Pretty much everyone is using analytics in some form, and they all compound that with traditional scouts too. This fear of numbers thing is asinine.
Football is a business. I don't know a single successful business in the world that doesn't use analytics.
Quote:Theo Epstein has an open checkbook to sign players. Anyone of us could drain a farm system to sign a reliever only to see him return to his original team at the end of the year. It worked for the Cubs immediate season but don't tell me this is analytics.
The Yankees received a four-player package, headlined by top shortstop prospect Gleyber Torres, in exchange for Chapman
You have to go back a few years to see the analytics in Epstein's rebuild of the Cubs. What did they go through to get to the point where they could be that audacious in a trade?
Quote:The Cubs’ new plan under Epstein started with ditching easy mediocrity for purposeful sucking: a complete rebuild, what we like to uncharitably describe as “tanking” — except that a data-driven approach to winning makes it clear that there are powerful incentives to losing 95 games instead of 85 games.
<p class="" style="font-family:'medium-content-serif-font', Georgia, Cambria, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:21px;">Everyone on the Cubs team that Epstein inherited with any present value was sent packing, both to bring in prospects and to make the 2012 and 2013 teams worse on the field, giving the Cubs not only higher draft picks, but a larger draft budget under a new CBA that strictly limited how much teams could spend on amateur players. Those trades brought in guys like Travis Wood and Jake Arrieta and Kyle Hendricks, while also ensuring that the Cubs would lose 197 games over a two-year span — their most ever — earning them top-five draft picks that they used on Kris Bryant and Kyle Schwarber.
<p class="" style="font-family:'medium-content-serif-font', Georgia, Cambria, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:21px;">The Cubs focused on drafting and developing hitters over pitchers because the data makes clear that young hitters are a much safer bet to develop: All you need to remember is that before the Cubs selected Bryant no. 2 overall in 2013, the Astros used the no. 1 pick on … Mark Appel. Along with nailing their draft picks for Bryant and Schwarber, they traded a pitcher (Andrew Cashner) for a hitter (Anthony Rizzo), and capped off the rebuilding process by trading a pair of starting pitchers (Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel) for a top shortstop prospect named Addison Russell.
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When Caldwell implied that Gus wasn't his choice, do you think Tony could have possibly had a big role in choosing Gus as the Jaguar's hc?
Quote:Football is a business. I don't know a single successful business in the world that doesn't use analytics.
Well, we aren't successful, so I suppose we don't then?
The point here is, is it okay to use analytics? sure. Have fun.
Do people want to hear about them when your team looks like a pop warner team on Sunday? No. That is the frustrating part here. Is that not understandable?