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Of course Tony has pull.. He is the son of the owner? Do you guys really think your fathers wouldn't listen to you at all? I'm sure some of you say they wouldn't but not family man Khan..

Quote:Of course Tony has pull.. He is the son of the owner? Do you guys really think your fathers wouldn't listen to you at all? I'm sure some of you say they wouldn't but not family man Khan..

 

It depends. Is Tony like Tommy Boy who knows nothing about his fathers business? Tommy was only interested in drinking and finishing college in 7 years more than learning about the brake pad industry.

When asked who would be making the decision on the next head coach, Dave replied. "Me, and Shad, and Mark, and Tony of course, and some others."

 

Regards.................the Chiefjag

Quote:I agree with this. Baseball was a numbers sport. Football and basketball (both of which are trying to infuse analytics into their games) are far less numbers-reliant. There's room for it, but it will not have the same impact that it did in baseball. 

Tell the Rockets and Celtics analytics don't make a huge impact. Football and basketball are behind the curve but they are both investing a ton into them with undeniable results. 

Quote:The crap I've seen Tony tweet out in regards to "analytics" have been absolutely worthless when it comes to football.

 

Can you post a few examples of exactly what he has been tweeting out there in the way of analytics when it comes to the Jaguars.

 

I don't follow him or even plan to, but I would just kind of like to know what you, or anyone else in here, is talking about when it comes to this subject.

 

Thanks.

Quote:You have to go back a few years to see the analytics in Epstein's rebuild of the Cubs. What did they go through to get to the point where they could be that audacious in a trade? 

 

https://theringer.com/2016-world-series-....w9l8b74c5

 

OK .... I'll buy that.  Can you pinpoint analytics when it comes to the NFL.   Apparently, the Browns hired an MLB analytics dude so it will be interesting to see if this translates to the NFL.   Note:  Pirates, Royals, and most notably the A's proved it works in the MLB where there is a very soft cap and an abundance of talent due the international impact of hundreds of potential blooming stars.

Quote:Theo Epstein has an open checkbook to sign players. Anyone of us could drain a farm system to sign a reliever only to see him return to his original team at the end of the year. It worked for the Cubs immediate season but don't tell me this is analytics.

The Yankees received a four-player package, headlined by top shortstop prospect Gleyber Torres, in exchange for Chapman

Theo did not drain the farm system for Chapman. That's simply not true. Theo has done magnificent things with the Cubs/Red Sox. The Cubs still have a very strong farm system even after numerous high ranking call ups in the last few years.


Analytics can be a highly useful tool for sports teams.

Quote:I have to agree.  Making decisions with data and using analytics was one of the most enjoyable time spent getting my MBA.

 

If his tweets are any indication of what he's doing... it's simply number crunching.  Data and statistical production alone.

 

There doesn't seem to be a robust analysis component, again... going solely off his tweets.

 

Which, is typical.  Everyone wants the greatest, newest, shiniest toy.  Just because you can obtain it, doesn't mean you know how to use it correctly.

 

To be fair, it's not likely that Tony or anyone in the front office are going to share their analysis with the masses. That stuff is going to be kept in house just like any traditional analysis they do on prospects or free agents. Unless you're Dallas, draft boards or scouting reports don't get posted on Twitter, so why would analytics?

Quote:OK .... I'll buy that. Can you pinpoint analytics when it comes to the NFL. Apparently, the Browns hired an MLB analytics dude so it will be interesting to see if this translates to the NFL. Note: Pirates, Royals, and most notably the A's proved it works in the MLB where there is a very soft cap and an abundance of talent due the international impact of hundreds of potential blooming stars.

As I've said before - analytics in the NFL is still in its infancy.


Pinpointing is pretty tough right now because no one has truly collected enough data to begin affecting decisions that are showing up starkly on the field on Sundays.


One way it's creeping in are through the analysis of prospects and their various "measurables" and drilling results for front office types.


Another way - for coaches -  it's slowly becoming relevant through the deeper analysis of "high percentage" plays across a broader range of variables.

For instance:

Instead of having a "page in the book" outlining which short passes are effective against a division opponent on 2nd and long, a team with an analytics component might have a "book" on how every opponent of that team converted on 2nd down and a long. Including a list of the five most effective methods of doing so during the tenure of their current defensive staff.

The more this type of data is compiled, the more a coaching staff feels comfortable referencing it and implementing changes accordingly in their approach to specific opponents and scenarios.

Can he be demoted? Shad needs to show everyone is accountable.

This from a story in the T-U today:

 

“The Jags’ unconventional methods extend even to how they select and deploy players. Khan’s 33-year-old son, Tony, came in from the get-go as the team’s vice president of football technology and analytics. … On Mondays and Tuesdays he meets with Bradley, handing over thick binders crammed with stats related to Jacksonville’s next opponent. A report might emphasize, for example, how explosive plays of 25 yards or more increase their scoring chances, or the importance of defensive stops on first downs, backed by Tony’s analysis of every NFL play for the previous five seasons. Bradley says he leans on Tony’s info as much as a dozen times each game.”

 

Talk about being murdered by minutiae. I can see Tom Couglin accepting these binders then dumping them in a garbage can while looking Tony Khan in the eye the whole time.  

Quote:This from a story in the T-U today:

 

“The Jags’ unconventional methods extend even to how they select and deploy players. Khan’s 33-year-old son, Tony, came in from the get-go as the team’s vice president of football technology and analytics. … On Mondays and Tuesdays he meets with Bradley, handing over thick binders crammed with stats related to Jacksonville’s next opponent. A report might emphasize, for example, how explosive plays of 25 yards or more increase their scoring chances, or the importance of defensive stops on first downs, backed by Tony’s analysis of every NFL play for the previous five seasons. Bradley says he leans on Tony’s info as much as a dozen times each game.”

 

Talk about being murdered by minutiae. I can see Tom Couglin accepting these binders then dumping them in a garbage can while looking Tony Khan in the eye the whole time.  

 

Holy crap, I could have told you explosive plays increase scoring chances and defensive stops on 1st downs are important with no binder. This is some kind of joke, right?

man, I hope we get Tom Coughlin.  That is all.

Quote:Holy crap, I could have told you explosive plays increase scoring chances and defensive stops on 1st downs are important with no binder. This is some kind of joke, right?

 

Makes you wonder if Gus put his own coaching instincts to the side in order to oblige the owner's son. 

Quote:Makes you wonder if Gus put his own coaching instincts to the side in order to oblige the owner's son.

I really, really doubt that notion has merit.

(Stick with me here-it's not a put down)


Gus was asked point blank about factoring in the analytics with his game planning a number of times.


In one particular presser (2014) I recall the reporter pressing the issue and Gus was literally trying not to laugh at the scenario of him changing his approach on gameday because of Tony's analytics reports.


His face at that moment was very telling about his consideration of those reports.


You know my posting enough to know I'm not defending Gus here. Just sharing a clear memory that leads me to believe that analytics may play a big role at some point - but we aren't there yet- and Gus was not jumping on that bandwagon headfirst.

Quote:This from a story in the T-U today:

 

“The Jags’ unconventional methods extend even to how they select and deploy players. Khan’s 33-year-old son, Tony, came in from the get-go as the team’s vice president of football technology and analytics. … On Mondays and Tuesdays he meets with Bradley, handing over thick binders crammed with stats related to Jacksonville’s next opponent. A report might emphasize, for example, how explosive plays of 25 yards or more increase their scoring chances, or the importance of defensive stops on first downs, backed by Tony’s analysis of every NFL play for the previous five seasons. Bradley says he leans on Tony’s info as much as a dozen times each game.”

 

Talk about being murdered by minutiae. I can see Tom Couglin accepting these binders then dumping them in a garbage can while looking Tony Khan in the eye the whole time.  

 

There are probably summaries and the examples given are likely simplifications. It's just data, another tool. Belichick uses analytics quite a bit, I don't think it's an issue. How is too much information a bad thing.

Quote:There are probably summaries and the examples given are likely simplifications. It's just data, another tool. Belichick uses analytics quite a bit, I don't think it's an issue. How is too much information a bad thing.

Too much information can be a bad thing if it makes you second guess the instincts that made you good in the 1st place.

Quote:During Gus's press conference he mentioned his relationship with Tony and all his Analytics crap. He also said Tony was a part of the firing conversation of Gus.


How much pull does Tony have with this organization? I know his dad owns the thing, but is he a part of most decisions around this franchise?


Personally I fear the day when Tony takes over this franchise. I think he will make Dan Snyder look like a football Genius.

 

 

Or else he may have learned a thing or two from daddy's successes and failures and will create a new football dynasty... the Duval Dynasty? It wouldn't be the first time a Khan creates a dynasty.

I have no doubt Tony has input, the quotes Homebisket and others have posted prove it from Dave's mouth. He is the owner's son of course he will have input if he

is wants, and he does want to be involved. Tom Landry did "analytics" decades ago, but he also tempered those numbers with Football knowledge. I don't know how much football knowledge Tony has,

is he a 10 year fan, a 20 year fan of the NFL? Plus we have zero evidence any trends he finds are worth a damn and have worked before. It's not like his programs

have produced a winning team. So the stuff he presents may be absolute garbage. That is concerning, but what can a fan do, the owner's son is going to do what he wants. I just hope he gets better at dissecting the trends that are relevant and does not interject and override the people who have done the job for decades. Also someone like Coughlin would not put up with it for a day, so it may make the candidate pool of coaches smaller. Nobody wants the owner's son giving them binders of team's tendencies every week. Maybe a small summary notebook. It's all a matter of how much he intrudes. That's the case with a lot of owners.

Quote:This from a story in the T-U today:

 

“The Jags’ unconventional methods extend even to how they select and deploy players. Khan’s 33-year-old son, Tony, came in from the get-go as the team’s vice president of football technology and analytics. … On Mondays and Tuesdays he meets with Bradley, handing over thick binders crammed with stats related to Jacksonville’s next opponent. A report might emphasize, for example, how explosive plays of 25 yards or more increase their scoring chances, or the importance of defensive stops on first downs, backed by Tony’s analysis of every NFL play for the previous five seasons. Bradley says he leans on Tony’s info as much as a dozen times each game.”

 

Talk about being murdered by minutiae. I can see Tom Couglin accepting these binders then dumping them in a garbage can while looking Tony Khan in the eye the whole time.  

 

Are these some of the examples of Tony's analytical analysis findings?  What else is out there that has been tweeted or posted concerning the Jaguars?