Quote:The point here is, is it okay to use analytics? sure. Have fun.
Do people want to hear about them when your team looks like a pop warner team on Sunday? No. That is the frustrating part here. Is that not understandable?
Where all you hearing about them. Does he have a show or something? Which brings about the question. Are you forced to listen to it?
Quote:Where all you hearing about them. Does he have a show or something? Which brings about the question. Are you forced to listen to it?
It is almost 2017. I am on Twitter.
Forced? No. But I enjoy keeping up with the happenings of my team.
Can you not admit it is annoying preaching analytics when your team is a perennial dumpster fire? It's equivalent to that guy in the park who's jumper is off and he keeps telling you why.
Quote:The point here is, is it okay to use analytics? sure. Have fun.
Do people want to hear about them when your team looks like a pop warner team on Sunday? No. That is the frustrating part here. Is that not understandable?
Do you follow Tony on social media or something? I never hear anything about his analytics except through twitter, instagram or someone whining about it here.
Unfollow him, maybe??
Quote:It is almost 2017. I am on Twitter.
Forced? No. But I enjoy keeping up with the happenings of my team.
Can you not admit it is annoying preaching analytics when your team is a perennial dumpster fire?
I imagine it would be. I just have not been exposed to it. So it's his twitter where the anguish emanates from?
Quote:Do you follow Tony on social media or something? I never hear anything about his analytics except through twitter, instagram or someone whining about it here.
Unfollow him, maybe??
You guys are completely missing the point. Following or unfollowing him does not change the fact that it is happening. If the analytics he posts are being used to manage this building of this team, they aren't working, and he should probably keep them personal until they do.
My guess would be as in most any business that analytics would be utilized only as part of the sum total to a decision on any matter. From what I have heard that is the exact way the team utilizes the information he provides.
Quote:You guys are completely missing the point. Following or unfollowing him does not change the fact that it is happening. If the analytics he posts are being used to manage this building of this team, they aren't working, and he should probably keep them personal until they do.
I think you may be severely overestimating the degree to which his analytics have had impact on decision making for the Jaguars.
He owns a third party data company that generates all of those weird stats and charts that annoy you so much. They are posted on social media to promote his company to sports franchises in various leagues more than they are to make you feel better about the Jaguars sucking.
I would wager that out of the mountains of data he has processed and laid at the feet of the front office and coaching staff, only mere grains of sand from it were actually considered thoughtfully when making a personnel or game-planning decision.
Quote:I think you may be severely overestimating the degree to which his analytics have had impact on decision making for the Jaguars.
He owns a third party data company that generates all of those weird stats and charts that annoy you so much. They are posted on social media to promote his company to sports franchises in various leagues more than they are to make you feel better about the Jaguars sucking.
I would wager that out of the mountains of data he has processed and laid at the feet of the front office and coaching staff, only mere grains of sand from it were actually considered thoughtfully when making a personnel or game-planning decision.
You are right. I am probably severely overestimating it.
The problem with analytics is that everyone seems to love to talk about them but very few, if any of those who love to talk about them, really understand them.
Most make the mistake of using them anecdotally, like a statistic.
They aren't useful at all until you can translate data to wins.
Otherwise, it's mostly an empty buzzword used to feign knowledge. Data without understanding and analysis is just data.
Quote:When Caldwell implied that Gus wasn't his choice, do you think Tony could have possibly had a big role in choosing Gus as the Jaguar's hc?
Caldwell did not imply that Gus was not his choice.
That comes from someone posting that Caldwell answered the question, "Would you hire someone you were not comfortable with?" by saying "I did that with Gus."
But the question he was actually answering was, "Would you interview someone you were not familiar with?" To which he answered, "I did that with Gus."
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-Jagu...6a9d86b2ea
Caldwell said whether or not he is familiar with a candidate will have no bearing on the process.
“I did that with Gus -- not that I wasn’t comfortable with him, but I had no prior experience with Gus … I had no prior relationship with him,” Caldwell said. “It’s what’s right for your organization and that’s the way it’s always been. …
He's going to be the owner when shad dies.. get used to jt
Quote:Do you follow Tony on social media or something? I never hear anything about his analytics except through twitter, instagram or someone whining about it here.
Unfollow him, maybe??
This is the
only place I hear people mentioning it and whining about it....period.
I went ahead and did my own personal analytical analysis of the Jaguars and here's the results:
I calculated the 2 main reasons the Jaguars are losing and the results came back: Poor head coaching and below average QB play, with inaccuracy and INTs listed as the top 2 reasons for the below average QB play.
There were some other reasons listed, like a below average running game, which is overused on first and second downs, not using the TE properly, being in too many 3rd and long situations and turnovers which give the opposing team a short field to work with.
My stats says if you have no pass rush you can have revis, sherman, ramsey, berry, and, gipson back there. All in prime and still can lose many games. Disrupting the qb is the way to win more games. That and being remotely able to score.
Quote:It is almost 2017. I am on Twitter.
Forced? No. But I enjoy keeping up with the happenings of my team.
Can you not admit it is annoying preaching analytics when your team is a perennial dumpster fire? It's equivalent to that guy in the park who's jumper is off and he keeps telling you why.
Who's "preaching" analytics? No one.
Quote:He's going to be the owner when shad dies.. get used to jt
And he'll be a great owner because he's a bright guy and he'll have a lot of experience by then.
Quote:I went ahead and did my own personal analytical analysis of the Jaguars and here's the results:
I calculated the 2 main reasons the Jaguars are losing and the results came back: Poor head coaching and below average QB play, with inaccuracy and INTs listed as the top 2 reasons for the below average QB play.
There were some other reasons listed, like a below average running game, which is overused on first and second downs, not using the TE properly, being in too many 3rd and long situations and turnovers which give the opposing team a short field to work with.
Nothing on avg yards gained by running backs after initial contact behind the line of scrimmage during rainy conditions, under a waxing crescent moon, spring tides, and Mercury in retrograde?
Pfffft. Useless.
The crap I've seen Tony tweet out in regards to "analytics" have been absolutely worthless when it comes to football.
Quote:The crap I've seen Tony tweet out in regards to "analytics" have been absolutely worthless when it comes to football.
I have to agree. Making decisions with data and using analytics was one of the most enjoyable time spent getting my MBA.
If his tweets are any indication of what he's doing... it's simply number crunching. Data and statistical production alone.
There doesn't seem to be a robust analysis component, again... going solely off his tweets.
Which, is typical. Everyone wants the greatest, newest, shiniest toy. Just because you can obtain it, doesn't mean you know how to use it correctly.
Quote:The crap I've seen Tony tweet out in regards to "analytics" have been absolutely worthless when it comes to football.
Yes, this is exactly what I am saying.