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A scout said "he can't throw"

Quote:It could raise some questjons that make you go back to the tape. Not make a snap judgement and drop a prospect down your draft board.


Pro days don't mean anything until it affects your belief. If you don't like teddy it's important. If you like him, who cares.


I personally don't care how a qb throws at a pro day. If he is accurate on Saturday he will most likely be accurate on Sundays. I don't think the pro day and Sunday throws are correlated at all.

You might not care, but I would beg to differ that it wouldn't raise at least a hint of a concern to the football people that are there.


By the way. I was speaking in general terms. I didn't say anything specifically about Bridgewater.

Quote:You might not care, but I would beg to differ that it wouldn't raise at least a hint of a concern to the football people that are there.


By the way. I was speaking in general terms. I didn't saying anything specifically about Bridgewater.

You are most likely correct in that assumption. I think nfl personnel care too much about pro days and off field drills.

Quote:A scout said "he can't throw"

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Quote:Or just a guy that covers 32 teams? Kills me on here with certain players in this class, if its negative the source is dumb/ yet the postives each get their own thread.

And its not even like he's trashing him in his rankings (although IMO he's more of a 1a with Bortles or  no less than 2, not the 3rd best)

 

I totally agree.

 

It drives me insane when someone uses what some media head has said for justification either positively or negatively for a draftee. Make your own mind up, what Mayock thinks is as relevant as what you and I think and what you and I think is pretty freaking irreverent.

Quote:I totally agree.

 

It drives me insane when someone uses what some media head has said for justification either positively or negatively for a draftee. Make your own mind up, what Mayock thinks is as relevant as what you and I think and what you and I think is pretty freaking irreverent.

 

Oh, you have no idea! I mean, if only folks knew the irreverent things that were running through my head...

Quote:A scout said "he can't throw"

 

A scout also said in regards to Jamarcus Russell, he's the second coming of John Elway.

Quote:The poor Pro Day led Mayock to go back and look at more tape.  He did not like what he saw when he looked deeper.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...ter_nfl_cb

 

Perception is following reality, which some scouts and GMs have been hinting at for a while now, only for the media and draftnicks to lag behind.

 

If thats the case then Mayock should quit. What have scouts and Gms have been hinting at? Cause im pretty sure there were NFL GMs spouting on and on during the college season about Bridgewater and none of it was bad.

 

Even opposing players and HC's who faced him gave him praise and props.

Quote:I would much rather have a QB who's best trait is his mind than someone who has the best physical tools: Jamarcus, Boller, Leaf, Jeff George....

Like Harvard grad Ryan Fitzpatrick?

Quote:Like Harvard grad Ryan Fitzpatrick?

I'm gonna assume he meant football smarts.

I'll go ahead and burn the remaining "Tank For Teddy" banners, then.

Quote:If thats the case then Mayock should quit. What have scouts and Gms have been hinting at? Cause im pretty sure there were NFL GMs spouting on and on during the college season about Bridgewater and none of it was bad.

 

Even opposing players and HC's who faced him gave him praise and props.

 

What they've been hinting at (that you and others in love with QBs in this draft have been ignoring all along) is that it seems like many, if not most clubs don't feel there's a franchise QB in this draft.

 

I know it's difficult to accept if you've fallen for a particular player, but maybe those guys who weren't sold on this QB class knew what they were talking about all along.

 

Once again, perception follows reality.  It always lags the truth, rather than be ahead of it.  It's very understandable how perception changes now that the media gets a better feeling about how teams really feel about these guys.

 

Just look at the evidence.  More and more analysts are shifting to that opinion, which a few have had all along.

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap200000...-nfl-draft

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">But -- say it with me, so it sticks over the next five weeks -- THERE IS NO FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK IN THIS DRAFT!

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<p style="margin-left:40px;">I wrote on Tuesday that it wouldn't shock me to see Teddy Bridgewater completely fall out of the first round.

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<p style="margin-left:40px;">...and...

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<p style="margin-left:40px;">As I've mentioned before, Phil Simms was spot-on when he said on my SiriusXM Radio show, "Schein on Sports," that Geno Smith is better than any quarterback in this year's draft. In a related story, Smith was a second-round pick last year.

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Now, if that's not an indictment of this QB draft class, I certainly don't know what is.  Believe what you wish.  It's obvious these aren't the kind of things you want to hear.  But maybe, just maybe they know what they're talking about.

Its funny at the hurt feelings on here, haha

You guys having your wang measuring contest do know the draft is 34 days away don't you?

 

You really wouldn't have thought crowing nearly 5 weeks before the first pick is made would appeal to so many.

Quote:You guys having your wang measuring contest do know the draft is 34 days away don't you?

 

You really wouldn't have thought crowing nearly 5 weeks before the first pick is made would appeal to so many.

 

I wouldn't worry about that.  Instead, I leave the worrying to you guys just as I did the Genosis crowd last year.

Quote:I wouldn't worry about that.  Instead, I leave the worrying to you guys just as I did the Genosis crowd last year.

 

Worry? Did someone make me GM and not tell me? Unlike many on here I have no delusions that watching a few games on Saturday and a few youtube cutups makes me anything more than moron with a half baked opinion. I'm not going to worry if that opinion is not shared on draft day.

 

I kind of do hope we pass Clowney and take Bridgewater for your meltdown though. After all this self-righteousness, its sure to be one for the ages.

Quote:Worry? Did someone make me GM and not tell me? Unlike many on here I have no delusions that watching a few games on Saturday and a few youtube cutups makes me anything more than moron with a half baked opinion. I'm not going to worry if that opinion is not shared on draft day.


I kind of do hope we pass Clowney and take Bridgewater for your meltdown though. After all this self-righteousness, its sure to be one for the ages.

World may end if that happens.


That's my main issue with Pirk and these discussions. It's a vocal minority who worry. A lot of the Geno fans (I was obviously one) really wanted him but understood the reasoning for passing on a qb. Still wanted a pass rusher over Joeckel but it is what it is.

Quote:I didn't really hold his pro day in that regard. And I didn't hold Johnny Manziel's pro day in high regard either. I still have both players ranked where I had them at the end of the season.

 

I said if we do take a QB at #3 that I would prefer to take that chance on Manziel just because of his upside. However, I don't think any QB in this draft is worth a top 10 pick. I have a mid first round grade on TB (15 - 20) and I have a Late first to early 2nd round grade on Manziel, based on where they are right now. I have been saying that for pretty much the last 2 - 3 months.

 

Ok, I'm just wondering.  Where do you get the idea that Johnny has more "upside" than Teddy?  I don't get that and honestly, the whole "upside" part of draft talk I pretty much ignore.  It's an intangible thing they're commenting on that they have absolutely no idea.  Ryan Leaf had more "upside" than Manning in that draft.  Johnny barely reads half the field, misses open guys a lot, and runs waaaayyy too soon and often.  He isn't getting any taller.  He isn't getting any quicker, and if recent history tells us anything (RG3) his quickness be the first thing to go for him.  He has a high completion percentage on his 20+ yard balls, but fails too much on the routine throws.  And the plays that are supposed to be routine end up being a clusterf*** because he breaks the pocket and runs into trouble.  He found ways to win games, but so did “He who shall not be named” while at UF.


 

Honestly, I'd say that Teddy has more "upside" than Johnny.  Teddy is coming out of school with the highest completion % of any other QB this year, and he's not throwing mostly screen passes.  The only guy who would have been higher than him was David Fales during his junior year.  Teddy moves around the pocket better than any other QB this year.  He slides up in the pocket and steps into this throws consistently.  When he does break the pocket, running is his last option.  He is more accurate on the run than Johnny is.  He still squares his shoulders before throwing, even when going the wrong direction.  He reads the whole field.  He calls out his own offensive line blocking assignments and checks to different plays.  He throws with good anticipation and has higher accuracy than any other guy up to 20 yards.  His 20+ throws are average, but he still has a good completion percentage.  And he proved that he can put on weight which he did at the combine to 215 lbs.  He's never missed time due to injury and has played through injuries, unlike Mett who is much bigger and still got lost to an ACL tear.  He's not afraid to take a hit to make a throw.  He is still athletic enough to scramble and get yards with his feet if he needs to.


 

Johnny is a winner at the college level.  There’s no doubt of that.  But I don’t think his game carries over to the NFL.  I think he’s a project who has to learn to read the whole field and who’s going to get a lot of balls batted down.  He takes a lot of risks and makes a huge mess with too many routine plays.  I was listening to Ross Tucker on Sirius XM the other day and he made a great comparison for Johnny.  Doug Flutie, but without the field vision.  Flutie was a great player for a time in the NFL and has one of the most memorable plays of college football history.  But what did he win in the NFL?  And Flutie was smarter and had much better field vision than Johnny.  It may be fun to watch at times, but I want the guy who’s the top in terms of QB’s who win in the NFL.  That is Teddy, and there’s no argument.


 

Honestly, this whole argument should be between Teddy and Bortles.

Quote:Worry? Did someone make me GM and not tell me? Unlike many on here I have no delusions that watching a few games on Saturday and a few youtube cutups makes me anything more than moron with a half baked opinion. I'm not going to worry if that opinion is not shared on draft day.

 

I kind of do hope we pass Clowney and take Bridgewater for your meltdown though. After all this self-righteousness, its sure to be one for the ages.

 

I've never been opposed to taking him at the right value.  Just don't believe that's at #3.  There's no self-righteousness with me.  Only blowhards like yourself that can't stand an opposing opinion.

Quote:I've never been opposed to taking him at the right value.  Just don't believe that's at #3.  There's no self-righteousness with me.  Only blowhards like yourself that can't stand an opposing opinion.

 

HAHAH! Blowhards. Hillarious, do share more of your wit, its fabulous. You know that bit where I say my opinion is insignificant? Well its kind of hard to get antsy when someone disagrees with a very loosely held belief. You ever heard of an agnostic fundamentalist?

 

Its not what you do or don't believe, its the way you seem to think Dave Caldwell shares your opinion, hence posting confidently in a thread a month before the draft exactly what we will and wont do and the spamming of your opinion. That's almost something a dog with mental health issues might do.