Quote:Teddy couldn't even win his own conference, how would he win SEC????
Andrew Luck went 1-11 in his senior year of high school. Records and stats don't mean a whole lot sir.
Here's what you do: close the box scores, turn off ESPN slanted slobberfests, X out of the highlight videos, watch the cutups, scout the individual traits independent of competition and surrounding talent, watch the cutups again, form an honest evaluation.
Quote:Things happen.....UCF had turnovers as well that changed the game considerably as well.....
All I know is they were up 28-7 after Louisville got a fumble return TD.....even with 3 straight scores that is a tie game, a game that is TB is as good as you say he is, he should have won.
You're forgetting something. UL was down and he did bring him back. Bortles then brought the Knights back and scored with about 15 seconds left or something.
Quote:Andrew Luck went 1-11 in his senior year of high school. Records and stats don't mean a whole lot sir.
Here's what you do: close the box scores, turn off ESPN slanted slobberfests, X out of the highlight videos, watch the cutups, scout the individual traits independent of competition and surrounding talent, watch the cutups again, form an honest evaluation.
KY, I agree none of these stats for any of these players will matter. All that will matter is what they do on Sundays.
The problem is wiseman likes to us stats to debate (ie his throwing charts), so I am going to beat him at his own game. Because the stats that really matter isn't how or where you throw, but whether or not the teamed scored points. Johnny did a better job of that in college. Points determine winners/losers of the game....not Yards
Quote:KY, I agree none of these stats for any of these players will matter. All that will matter is what the do on Sundays.
The problem is wiseman likes to us stats to debate (ie his throwing charts), so I am going to beat him at his own game. Because the stats that really matter isn't how or where you throw, but whether or not the teamed scored points. Johnny did a better job of that in college. Points determine winners/losers of the game....not Yards
As far as stats go both of them lie, but comprehensive charting stats are much better than a box score.
Quote:Andrew Luck went 1-11 in his senior year of high school. Records and stats don't mean a whole lot sir.
Here's what you do: close the box scores, turn off ESPN slanted slobberfests, X out of the highlight videos, watch the cutups, scout the individual traits independent of competition and surrounding talent, watch the cutups again, form an honest evaluation.
Yes and when I do that with Bridgewater he just looks like a starting nfl QB.
Quote:As far as stats go both of them lie, but comprehensive charting stats are much better than a box score.
Stats are stats, nothing is going to tell how a player performs on Sunday, until he actually plays on Sunday.
Quote:Stats are stats, nothing is going to tell how a player performs on Sunday, until he actually plays on Sunday.
Yeah I just believe our coaching staff will do a great job with whatever QB they desire. They made Henne look decent
I do have a serious question for TB fans though. I never really knocked him for size or lack there of, but one thing that did stand out to me when watching cutups and reviewing games is that he has a history of giving up big leads to inferior competition even by his conference standards over the past 2 years.
I know some will point to coaching staff being more conservative with the play calling, but I counter that with something you guys seem to praise Teddy for. I hear he has the ability to call his plays at the LOS, so if he feels or sees a team playing the run he could change to a pass. So if this isn't happening is it because he isn't as good s people say at making reads presnap or is it a lack of leadership. By leadership I mean making your team understand that anyone can be a threat....
Outside of the game I stated earlier I also point to this Tarheel game from last year as well as others:
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322590097'>http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322590097</a> UNC
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=322940097'>http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=322940097</a> UCF last year
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=333270097'>http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=333270097</a> Memphis this year
And as I mentioned earlier UCF this year. That's 4 games, I can't recall any top QB prospects giving up big leads like these throughout their college career that didn't bust. I mean it's one thing to just be overpowered from the first snap, but this is different.
Yawn.... May 8th can't come fast enough.
I wasn't aware qb's played defense
Seriously, both sides need to give it up.
Quote:I do have a serious question for TB fans though. I never really knocked him for size or lack there of, but one thing that did stand out to me when watching cutups and reviewing games is that he has a history of giving up big leads to inferior competition even by his conference standards over the past 2 years.
I know some will point to coaching staff being more conservative with the play calling, but I counter that with something you guys seem to praise Teddy for. I hear he has the ability to call his plays at the LOS, so if he feels or sees a team playing the run he could change to a pass. So if this isn't happening is it because he isn't as good s people say at making reads presnap or is it a lack of leadership. By leadership I mean making your team understand that anyone can be a threat....
Outside of the game I stated earlier I also point to this Tarheel game from last year as well as others:
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322590097'>http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322590097</a> UNC
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=322940097'>http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=322940097</a> UCF last year
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=333270097'>http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=333270097</a> Memphis this year
And as I mentioned earlier UCF this year. That's 4 games, I can't recall any top QB prospects giving up big leads like these throughout their college career that didn't bust. I mean it's one thing to just be overpowered from the first snap, but this is different.
Chad Henne for the Jaguars give up big leads all the time and yet they want to bring him back for a costco discount. lol.
Quote:I wasn't aware qb's played defense
They don't, but he failed to keep the lead by not scoring. Big comebacks like that aren't just based on bad defense, it also means the offense failed to do their job as well
Having a bad defense inflates Manziel numbers.
Quote:Having a bad defense inflates Manziel numbers.
Please explain....
I could understand your reasoning if we were just talking about yards, but I am referring to points scored in red zone, offensive TDs scored period, and red zone attempts.....
How does having a bad defense inflate Manziel's numbers?
Quote:They don't, but he failed to keep the lead by not scoring. Big comebacks like that aren't just based on bad defense, it also means the offense failed to do their job as well
Have you even watched Louisville play? They run a conservative offense they dont run up the score, the run the ball way more then they should having a great QB, the HC is a defensive guy. For you to put that on Teddy is really reaching, he doesnt play defense and he doesnt call the plays.
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Quote:Please explain....
I could understand your reasoning if we were just talking about yards, but I am referring to points scored in red zone, offensive TDs scored period, and red zone attempts.....
How does having a bad defense inflate Manziel's numbers?
The more points your defense gives up, the more yards you have to put up...
Simple concept really
Quote:Please explain....
I could understand your reasoning if we were just talking about yards, but I am referring to points scored in red zone, offensive TDs scored period, and red zone attempts.....
How does having a bad defense inflate Manziel's numbers?
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And those numbers are gonna favor Manziel since they run a up tempo offense, Bridgewater runs a pro style offense it makes no sense to compare those numbers to each other
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Have you even watched Louisville play? They run a conservative offense they dont run up the score, the run the ball way more then they should having a great QB, the HC is a defensive guy. For you to put that on Teddy is really reaching, he doesnt play defense and he doesnt call the plays.
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Don't bother, sense doesn't appeal to him
All I have heard is TB excels in pre-snap reads and can adjust to what he sees the defense is doing. If that is the case, even if the staff is conservative with the play calling, is he unable to read a defense to know when to not run a running play?
Either he excels in pre snap reads and adjusting the play call or he doesn't, which one is it?
Also there are other teams run pro style offense and they still rank higher (some much higher) than Bridgewater and they play in tougher conferences.....