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Quote:Rivers has a cannon.  He throws farther and with more velocity than Rodgers.  His arm is stronger in every which way you slice it than Rodgers.  Cutler and Stafford have probably the 2 best arms amongst relevant quarterbacks in football.  Vick in his prime as well.

 

Lol ok. 

Quote:The fact that his name isn't Blaine Gabbert or Chad Henne is a good enough start for me.

And with the third overall pick, Big Nasty selects Tajh Boyd, QB, Auburn.

 

Post-draft interview: "Why Boyd at the third overall pick? Well, his name isn't 'Blaine Gabbert' or 'Chad Henne'."

 

*Disclaimer: I believe that Boyd will be a better pro QB than Johnny Alcohol. Speaking of...

 

Quote:While Teddy is the best, Manziel has the most "it" factor of any QB of the draft class. 

 

He reminds me of Joe Montana

Have you actually watched and of Joe Montana's games? Alcohol looks more like a faster Doug Flutie to me, only a worse passer and with serious baggage that no team in its right mind would waste a first-round pick on.

 

Quote:Couldn't agree more with everything you just said.  I know Caldwell has to blow smoke so he can increase his chances of getting his guy but he better be ready to pull the trigger on one of the 3 when we are on the clock. 

I'm sure David Caldwell will plan his draft so that JaxxnateNH is happy with the results.

 

Personally, I think that Bridgewater is the only top-ten QB out there this year. Alcohol's career will mirror Doug Flutie's--including the stint in Canada--and that's if he keeps his nose clean. Bortles looks the part, but playing in a high-percentage passing attack that relies heavily on screens and slants inflated his numbers and, I think, makes him look far more "elite" than he'll actually be. Not to say he won't be a very good starter, but is a guy who has seemingly gone from mid-round guy to sure-thing first-rounder in the space of two months really a wise pick, or is he Blaike Gabbortles?

 

Quote:I hope so then. Will leave the Jags with some good options then...But if say Manziel and Bridgwater were picked 1-2 then I would have to go Clowney over Bortles.....

The only way Johnny Alcohol goes top two is if a GM hits the sauce too hard with him during combine interviews.

 

Quote:Yeah, Rivers has a cannon.  I have no idea what he's talking about.

 

And Bortles has a very accurate deep ball as evidenced by his 20+ yard completion percentage in the 60s.

 

His arm is on par with Matt Ryan's.

Rivers is (unfairly) the poster child for "just ok" arm strength because of his 2004 pre-draft buzz. His weird shoulder-level delivery was cited by almost every draftnik as a weakness in his game, and for some reason everyone associates that with a weak arm. David Carr had a weird delivery and a limp arm; maybe we should use him in that role from now on? Please? Rivers doesn't have a "cannon", but he's certainly got good arm strength, and his arm has looked better later in his career than it did in his first few seasons.

Quote:And with the third overall pick, Big Nasty selects Tajh Boyd, QB, Auburn.

 

Post-draft interview: "Why Boyd at the third overall pick? Well, his name isn't 'Blaine Gabbert' or 'Chad Henne'."

 

*Disclaimer: I believe that Boyd will be a better pro QB than Johnny Alcohol. Speaking of...

 


Have you actually watched and of Joe Montana's games? Alcohol looks more like a faster Doug Flutie to me, only a worse passer and with serious baggage that no team in its right mind would waste a first-round pick on.

 


I'm sure David Caldwell will plan his draft so that JaxxnateNH is happy with the results.

 

Personally, I think that Bridgewater is the only top-ten QB out there this year. Alcohol's career will mirror Doug Flutie's--including the stint in Canada--and that's if he keeps his nose clean. Bortles looks the part, but playing in a high-percentage passing attack that relies heavily on screens and slants inflated his numbers and, I think, makes him look far more "elite" than he'll actually be. Not to say he won't be a very good starter, but is a guy who has seemingly gone from mid-round guy to sure-thing first-rounder in the space of two months really a wise pick, or is he Blaike Gabbortles?

 


The only way Johnny Alcohol goes top two is if a GM hits the sauce too hard with him during combine interviews.

 


Rivers is (unfairly) the poster child for "just ok" arm strength because of his 2004 pre-draft buzz. His weird shoulder-level delivery was cited by almost every draftnik as a weakness in his game, and for some reason everyone associates that with a weak arm. David Carr had a weird delivery and a limp arm; maybe we should use him in that role from now on? Please? Rivers doesn't have a "cannon", but he's certainly got good arm strength, and his arm has looked better later in his career than it did in his first few seasons.

 

Yeah, perhaps I was a little overzealous proclaiming a cannon for Rivers.  Its definitely above average.

 

I was also a little overboard with Rodgers.  He and Rivers are a lot closer in arm strength than I stated.

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*Disclaimer: I believe that Boyd will be a better pro QB than Johnny Alcohol. Speaking of...

 

 

Either you never went to college or youre ignorant. Pick one. 

Quote:Either you never went to college or youre ignorant. Pick one. 

Actually, I did graduate from college, and I'm not sure what referring to an alcohol abuser with an ego the size of Texas as "Johnny Alcohol" is...

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1413188

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...rew-tieman

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...unraveled/

 

Might I take a quote from his own father in the third link: 

 

Quote:“Yeah, it could come unraveled. And when it does, it’s gonna be bad. Real bad,” Paul Manziel said. “It’s one night away from the phone ringing, and he’s in jail. And you know what he’s gonna say? ‘It’s better than all the pressure I’ve been under. This is better than that.’

 

So you're telling me that, with the third pick in the draft, you want to select an alcoholic QB with anger issues (Kerry Collins, anyone?) whose own father believes that he'd be happier in jail than in a stadium? And you're going to tell me with a straight face that drafting this player and adding him to a team that now regards its perpetually-suspended star receiver, also an alcoholic, as a "luxury" rather than a building block is a good idea?

 

I'd take Bortles over Alcohol. I'd take almost any QB in this class over Alcohol, because when Johnny pulls a surprise retirement two years in, or when he gets suspended indefinitely for peeing out more whiskey than urine during a drug test, or when he gets thrown in jail for a DUI wreck, those other QBs will, for the most part, have made it or tanked on their athletic ability and desire to play the game, not washed out early because they took the paycheck then realized that they didn't want to be there in the first place.

Bortles reminds me of Steve McNair. I'll take him all day at 3; the dude knows how to win.

Quote:Actually, I did graduate from college, and I'm not sure what referring to an alcohol abuser with an ego the size of Texas as "Johnny Alcohol" is...

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1413188

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...rew-tieman

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...unraveled/

 

Might I take a quote from his own father in the third link: 

 

 

So you're telling me that, with the third pick in the draft, you want to select an alcoholic QB with anger issues (Kerry Collins, anyone?) whose own father believes that he'd be happier in jail than in a stadium? And you're going to tell me with a straight face that drafting this player and adding him to a team that now regards its perpetually-suspended star receiver, also an alcoholic, as a "luxury" rather than a building block is a good idea?

 

I'd take Bortles over Alcohol. I'd take almost any QB in this class over Alcohol, because when Johnny pulls a surprise retirement two years in, or when he gets suspended indefinitely for peeing out more whiskey than urine during a drug test, or when he gets thrown in jail for a DUI wreck, those other QBs will, for the most part, have made it or tanked on their athletic ability and desire to play the game, not washed out early because they took the paycheck then realized that they didn't want to be there in the first place.

 

Bortles is not an elite NFL quarterback prospect. You don't draft a non-elite player with the third pick of the first round.

 

An NFL elite quarterback prospect is one that possesses all of the quarterback skills refined to the elite level of play. There can be zero questions about his talent. He must have the size, arm, throwing mechanics, physical strength, mental aptitude, maturity, and durability to play NFL QB at the highest level and there can be no question that he is a leader of men.

 

An NFL elite quarterback prospect is one that by consensus of the NFL scouting community makes the team that drafts him immediate Super Bowl contenders year in and year out.

 

Since 1990 (23 years), there have been 13 quarterbacks taken with the first pick of the draft.

 

1990 Jeff George - 0 Super Bowl wins

1993 Drew Bledsoe - 0 Super Bowl Wins

1998 Peyton Manning - 1 Super Bowl wins

2001 Michael Vick - 0 Super Bowl wins

2002 - David Carr - 0 Super Bowl wins

2003 - Carson Palmer - 0 Super Bowl wins

2004 - Eli Manning - 2 Super Bowl wins

2005 - Alex Smith - 0 Super Bowl wins

2007 - JaMarcus Russell - 0 Super Bowl wins

2009 - Matthew Stafford - 0 Super Bowl wins

2010 - Sam Bradford - 0 Super Bowl wins

2011 - Cam Newton - 0 Super Bowl wins

2012 - Andrew Luck  - 0 Super Bowl wins

 

From 1970 to 1998 (28 years) there were 6 quarterbacks taken with the first pick of the NFL Draft.

 

1970 Terry Bradshaw - 4 Super Bowl wins

1971 Jim Plunkett - 2 Super Bowl wins

1975 Steve Bartkowski - 0 Super Bowl wins

1983 John Elway - 2 Super Bowl wins

1987 Vinnie Testaverde - 0 Super Bowl wins

1989 Troy Aikman - 3 Super Bowl wins

 

The difference in total Super Bowl wins between the two groups is significant. Nearly one third of Super Bowl titles were won by just six former number one over-all draft picks quarterback between 1970 and 1998. Only two of those former number one over-all quarterbacks failed to win a single Super Bowl.

 

Since 1990 the first pick of the draft is a crowded house full of quarterbacks. Over fifty percent of all number one over-all picks are now quarterbacks. Yet in twenty-three years since 1990, former number one over-all draft pick quarterbacks account for just three Super Bowl wins. Only two former number one over-all quarterbacks have Super Bowl wins.

I never said I'd take Bortles with the third pick, just that I'd take him over Alcohol.

TJBlender just stop. You sound like an 80 year old bitter man. Johnny Alcohol? God forbid the Heisman winner 20-21 year old have a college life. Has he ever been arrested or gotten a DUI? You make him to be the villain but my gosh how many people grew up idoilizing Kenny Stabler, Broadway Joe and others? Guys like them were notorious for their off the field antics and id be happy with them on the team. If he developes problems like Blackmon then go ahead with all the names

Bortles, Clowney or Bridgewater. We will likely get one. I'm happy.

I'd trade three firsts for Bridgewater before taking Bortles of Johnny (Destined to bust in Cleveland) Softball.

Sorry nm

Quote:Bortles is the Gabbert of this class, you guys need to watch his cut ups, he's not as good as advertised.

Comparing him to Gabbert is ridiculous. Gabbert's problems have absolutely nothing to do with PHYSICAL ability.

The Jaguars would be [BLEEP] to pass on Bortles. His strengths are the most important needs for a QB, he'll have major success in this league imo. 

The people that love Bortles on this forum - is that because of the usual bias towards anything Florida?

Quote:The people that love Bortles on this forum - is that because of the usual bias towards anything Florida?

I'll admit I probably overrate him because I'm a UCF fan.

Quote:The people that love Bortles on this forum - is that because of the usual bias towards anything Florida?

 

 

I like him cause he seems to have a knack to find ways to win.  I dont know if he's worth the 3rd pick or whatever but I just see a prospect with a ton of upside.  I really like his strength and abilty to move in the pocket.

I'm just saying, you can't say that the "finds ways to win" argument is invalid for Manziel and then use it to advocate Bortles.

I like Bortles, but worry about him going early. Is he ready to be a franchise QB?  He has a lot of up side and should be a solid NFL QB someday.

Quote:The people that love Bortles on this forum - is that because of the usual bias towards anything Florida?

 

Seeing as how I'm from nowhere near Florida...no