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Quote:Basically what I was trying to convey is the importance of having a strong pass rush.   And that when Tom Brady had a chance at a perfect 19-0 record,  the one thing that truly prevented it from happening was the Giants Defensive Line causing havoc against the Patriots Offensive Line.   If a team is going to draft what they consider a franchise QB,  they absolutely need a plan to surround him with an Offensive Line that's highly skilled at pass blocking.   Depending on a QB's quick release,  pocket presence,  and receivers getting open consistently isn't enough.

Given that the Patriots crushed teams that were consistently better than the Giants in the regular season that year, nine out of ten times the Patriot would do the same to the Giants in that SB.  It just so happen that the Giants were just the better team on that particular day.  Basically, you can't win them all, even if you were the mighty Patriots.  It's the beauty thing about sport. 

Quote:I'd love that. 

 

Anything that keeps them from drafting a true franchise QB, is something I'd be for. They can have all the defensive players they want....but without a franchise QB, it really don't matter. 

 

What if the Texans drafted Clowney and then traded their 2nd or Kirk Cousins?

You don't have to worry about that.  Kirk Cousins is another Flynn/Cassell/Kolb type of QB.  He has one good game against a 3-10 Browns and another decent game against a 3-10 Falcons and all of a sudden people think the Redskins should trade RG3 and make Cousins their franchise.  Blashphemy.  

Quote:Given that the Patriots crushed teams that were consistently better than the Giants in the regular season that year, nine out of ten times the Patriot would do the same to the Giants in that SB.  It just so happen that the Giants were just the better team on that particular day.  Basically, you can't win them all, even if you were the mighty Patriots.  It's the beauty thing about sport. 

 

 

 I'm of the opinion that the Giants team the Patriots faced in the Super Bowl was better than any team the Patriots faced that season.  Including the Giants team they faced in Week # 17 of the regular season.  While the Patriots won that game,  the Giants performance gave Tom Coughlin's team the confidence they could beat the Patriots if they faced them again.   The Giants kept improving as the playoffs went on.  They were a great team by the time they faced the Patriots in the Super Bowl.  I don't think the result of that game was a fluke.

 

 

 While I don't think the Patriots were going to be defeated in a shoot out type of game against practically any opponent,   the only thing that probably could have realistically prevented them from winning the Super Bowl that season was an opponent that could control the game Defensively.  Mainly,  up front.   The importance of a pass rush was on full display that evening.  

Yes, but franchise QBs > elite DEs. It's always like that in this era if the NFL.

Quote:Yes, but franchise QBs > elite DEs. It's always like that in this era if the NFL.

 

If they are close to equal,  I agree.  However,  if there's a Reggie White caliber DE prospect in a draft,  both in terms of ability and intangibles,  it would take a super blue chip QB prospect for me to be comfortable on passing on the DE.

How can anybody actually want Kirk Cousins? Let alone waste a 2nd/3rd round pick on the guy?

 

4 for 10 for 30 yards against the Giants. Really???

Quote:What if the Texans drafted Clowney and then traded their 2nd or Kirk Cousins?

He'd go to sleep for the next 10 years.

Quote:I don't know why everybody is so dismissive of Kirk Cousins. I think the kid looks great. To compare him to Matt Flynn is totally unfair, Flynn got a contract solely on a 1 game performance which is totally ludicrous, no wonder it didn't work out. Cousins is a solid QB, with the young explosive WR's in Jacksonville and a healthy Offensive line next year I could see it being a great fit honestly. Cousins has much more of a resume than Flynn ever did, short memory you guys must have because I'm pretty sure despite all the RG3 hype last season the Washington Redskins wouldn't of been in the Playoffs in the first place if Kirk Cousins didn't step in and lead the team there himself. I think writing Cousins off as a Henne, Flynn or not being able to win a super bowl with him is irrationally unfair to Cousins ability. The guy can play and he is still very young. It's easy to be fearful of trading for Cousins and it not working out because of the Matt Flynn stories out there.. However not so fast my friends.. in the same week the Jacksonville Jaguars are honoring Mark Brunell did we all fail to remember that Mark Brunell was a back-up QB for the Green Bay Packers before he ever came to Jacksonville. Steve Buerlin was suppose to be the guy but Wayne Weaver went out and Traded for Brunell a good looking back-up QB from Green Bay and that worked out pretty damn well for us didn't it Jag fans?... Another thing.. why does it have to be one or the other.. the Odds of the Jaguars getting Bridgewater aren't very good anyways. So why don't we trade for Cousins and Draft a guy like the young man out of UCF later in the draft. Me personally I feel as tho outside of a few key additions on Defense the Jaguars are a lot closer to a AFC South Championship team than people realize right now.. you put Cousins on this roster this year we easily win 2 or 3 more games.. I don't think it is too crazy for the Jaguars to end up investing 2 Draft Picks to sure up the most important position on the field. Trade for Kirk Cousins and also Draft a QB with Starting potential.. I have absolutely 0 problem with that, actually I would encourage it. In all reality I think the Redskins might be trading the wrong guy, Cousins passing ability can't be argued.. RG3, in my opinion Cousins has proved more to me as far as being a consistent Starter than RG3. 

 

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Cousins vs NY Giants:

10 for 25 (40% completion pct)

93 yards (3.72 yards per attempt)

0 TDs

1 INT

 

 

RGIII has better career stats than Kirk Cousins across the board.

RGIII has better season stats than Kirk Cousins across the board.

Quote:By no means am I dismissing the importance of a franchise QB. You make good points but in the case of the Ravens and Bucs, they were Super Bowl contenders often when they had a high caliber Defense. The Raiders didn't have a Defense in that era of that caliber, which caused their decline quickly.


Basically what I was trying to convey is the importance of having a strong pass rush. And that when Tom Brady had a chance at a perfect 19-0 record, the one thing that truly prevented it from happening was the Giants Defensive Line causing havoc against the Patriots Offensive Line. If a team is going to draft what they consider a franchise QB, they absolutely need a plan to surround him with an Offensive Line that's highly skilled at pass blocking. Depending on a QB's quick release, pocket presence, and receivers getting open consistently isn't enough.

Bah. Pass rush means nothing if a guy like Brady or Manning have the ball out damn near seconds after its snapped.

So Kirk Cousins.  We should totally trade our 2nd for him.

I never understood people that wanted to trade for Cousins in the first place.

Close thread. We won't be able to get either. 

Take a look at the first GIF here. Remind you of anyone?

http://thebiglead.com/2013/12/29/kirk-co...att-353102

 

-Locks onto receiver.

-Has happy feet in the pocket.

-Fails to step up in the pocket.

-Turnover.

Quote:How can anybody actually want Kirk Cousins? Let alone waste a 2nd/3rd round pick on the guy?

 

4 for 10 for 30 yards against the Giants. Really???

I said give him a chance, and see what he can do! Well I guess he showed unless they take a 5th or lower he will be staying put.

I wouldn't even use a 5th on Cousins. Might as well use a 5th on a project QB low risk, high reward. Better than low risk, no reward.

Michigan state system QB.. He's just well coached, but he still has a week arm.. Honestly its just more Chad Henne

Will we see anyone who wanted to trade for Cousins own up to it?