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Quote:The answer is easy---Cousins. Bridgewater, Geno Smith and EJ Manuel all fall into the same category. Can anybody guess what they all have in common? I'll give you a hint. Doug Williams was the only one to win a Superbowl. They can't play quarterback.

Gene Smith? So that's why you drafted a punter instead of Russell Wilson and had Blaine Gabbert #1 on your board ahead of Cam Newton . It all makes sense now.

Quote:I don't think the Eagles are gonna be trading off Foles or releasing him either. Mike Vick is done and washed up, so Foles is the future for them right now.  I like the idea of Ryan Mallet, I actually wanted the Jaguars to draft him over Gabbert . I felt he was the better prospect. I'm not really big on Teddy or any of the QB's in this draft class. In Caldwell we trust.LOL

 

According to our resident Eagles fan (who pretends to be a Jaguars fan) there is no way Foles is starting for the Eagles next year.

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"You want a gumball that costs 25 cents. Under one cup is either a penny or a quarter. Under a second cup, is either a nickel or a dime. You can only have what is under one of the cups."

 

In this analogy, the Super Bowl appearnce is the gumball. The penny is a draft bust QB, the quarter is a draft boom QB. The nickel is game-mager QB (Kolb, Flynn), the dime is a slightly above average QB (Schaub).

 

 

 

Stupid analogy! You purport that the only option is the SuperBowl QB or bust QB when many QB's are capable of winning the Super Bowl with a good team around them. But your 8 year-old niece would have picked up on that.

 

Regards......................the Chiefjag

Quote:I watch over 90% of Michigan St.'s games every year. I'm not making my judgement off of one year. I'm making my judgement of of 3 full college seasons and a handful of scouting reports. So far, his NFL play is on par for what I've expected from him.


And of course you would be happy with the nickel. You and several others here are content with mediocre-at-best QBs.

With your extensive scouting abilities, why are you not doing this for a career?

Quote:With your extensive scouting abilities, why are you not doing this for a career?

 

Because I don't watch other college football teams as much as I watch Michigan and Michigan St.

 

Tell me why you think Kirk Cousins will be good, despite what scouts have said about him and what we have seen so far (questionable decision making, average arm strength, average athleticism). Rather than 1) asking for my opinion and then 2) being a jackbag to me about it, let's hear your evaluation.

Quote:High ceiling, low ceiling, I am really not sure if anybody really knows what players have a high or low ceiling. 

 

LOL.....irony at its best. Did you really just say the above?

 

Quote:I have seen Cousins play a few times since he is in our division. He has played pretty decently so far in his limited time. The Skins are missing their first round pick and would probably try to get that from you in a trade.

 

I wouldn't give up a pick that high for Cousins, but I am not opposed to making a deal for him. 

 

Quote:According to our resident Eagles fan (who pretends to be a Jaguars fan) there is no way Foles is starting for the Eagles next year.

 

Dude, you have a real problem with either flat out lying and/ or telling half truths. 

 

My comment was that 2 years from now (comment made a few weeks ago) so it means, by week 13-ish by the NFL season of 2015, that Nick Foles will no longer be the Eagles starting QB. And I stand by the actual quote I made. 

 

You're a real piece of work, to put it nicely. 

Quote:LOL.....irony at its best. Did you really just say the above?

 

 

I wouldn't give up a pick that high for Cousins, but I am not opposed to making a deal for him. 

 

 

Dude, you have a real problem with either flat out lying and/ or telling half truths. 

 

My comment was that 2 years from now (comment made a few weeks ago) so it means, by week 13-ish by the NFL season of 2015, that Nick Foles will no longer be the Eagles starting QB. And I stand by the actual quote I made. 

 

You're a real piece of work, to put it nicely. 

 

You're really an Iggles fan eh?

Quote:You're really an Iggles fan eh?

 

No, but I post a lot using them as reference in certain comparison type posts, (just like I also frequently cite Pats/ Belichick and Luck/ Manning), so the lazy label me an Eagles fan. Not surprising. Lotsa lazy minds on here. 

Quote:LOL.....irony at its best. Did you really just say the above?

 

 

Lol.  No I didn't really say it.  I was thinking it and some how, some way it just appeared on the message board.  Crazy isn't it? 

 

This is a very advanced message board, it posts what you are thinking without even letting you know about it. 

 

What coloring book did your mammy get you for today?

Quote:No, but I post a lot using them as reference in certain comparison type posts, (just like I also frequently cite Pats/ Belichick and Luck/ Manning), so the lazy label me an Eagles fan. Not surprising. Lotsa lazy minds on here. 

 

Not all of us can keep up with the oh so smart and perceptive Mad Dog. 

 

What a genius. 

Kirk Cousins situation reminds me of Matt Flynn from years before.

 

This same message board when I first joined years ago was all about getting Matt Flynn after Gabbert first year back in Gene Smith era when we had a lot of salary cap room in free agency. 

 

At the time Flynn was viewed as a hot commodity because he had a few good games against the Patriots and his record breaking performance against the Lions. Everyone was saying he was the next good QB and that he would start on many other teams. 

 

What ended up happening was he signed a big contract for the Seahawks but loss the starting position to Wilson and has hopped on teams (Raiders, Bills, etc) ever since as a backup who never amounted to anything. 

 

A similar situation also happened 4 years ago with Kevin Kolb who had a few great games when Vick first when down and then signed a huge contract with Arizona but turned into huge bust and eventually hopped from team to team being a bust (Bills, etc).

 

Bottom line is this situation seems like it happens every 2 years or so. A backup comes in and has a few great games and other teams desperate for a decent player at the QB position say they need to go after that player. 

 

Im not saying Cousins is a bad player but I would rather the Jags draft their own QB rather then take some other teams backup. 

There's also examples of backup QBs getting traded and becoming franchise QBs for their future team.

 

I trust our guys will watch the tape and determine whether this QB is worthy of getting a chance.  If they deem so, and the price isn't too high (again, something for our FO to determine), then we might take a shot at him.

Quote:Kirk Cousins situation reminds me of Matt Flynn from years before.

 

This same message board when I first joined years ago was all about getting Matt Flynn after Gabbert first year back in Gene Smith era when we had a lot of salary cap room in free agency. 

 

At the time Flynn was viewed as a hot commodity because he had a few good games against the Patriots and his record breaking performance against the Lions. Everyone was saying he was the next good QB and that he would start on many other teams. 

 

What ended up happening was he signed a big contract for the Seahawks but loss the starting position to Wilson and has hopped on teams (Raiders, Bills, etc) ever since as a backup who never amounted to anything. 

 

A similar situation also happened 4 years ago with Kevin Kolb who had a few great games when Vick first when down and then signed a huge contract with Arizona but turned into huge bust and eventually hopped from team to team being a bust (Bills, etc).

 

Bottom line is this situation seems like it happens every 2 years or so. A backup comes in and has a few great games and other teams desperate for a decent player at the QB position say they need to go after that player. 

 

Im not saying Cousins is a bad player but I would rather the Jags draft their own QB rather then take some other teams backup. 

 

 

Kirk Cousins is better than Matt Flynn. Significantly, IMO. 

Quote:There's also examples of backup QBs getting traded and becoming franchise QBs for their future team.

 

I trust our guys will watch the tape and determine whether this QB is worthy of getting a chance.  If they deem so, and the price isn't too high (again, something for our FO to determine), then we might take a shot at him.

 

Can someone please post modern examples of this happening? Only one I can think of is Brett Favre and his problem was not skill but rather he was immature and lack of care. It wasnt until Mike Holmgren kicked him into shape did he start to take the game seriously. 

 

I saw someone list Drew Brees but he was not a backup, he was a free agent coming off a devastating shoulder injury and San Diego did not resign him because they believed he would not be the same after the injury. Brees was never traded, SD decided to draft RIvers and move on. That move backfired as we see now, but back then people thought Brees was done. 

 

 

Quote:Kirk Cousins is better than Matt Flynn. Significantly, IMO. 

 

I agree Kirk Cousins is better than Matt Flynn but the point of my post was not directed towards comparing the two skill wise but rather the situation they are in. 

 

That situation being; Backup Qb who has few great games and some team signs him to huge contract in offseason only for him to turn into a bust.

Mark Brunell, Matt Schaub are a couple more. And before anyone says Schaub sucks...may I remind you he had some very very good years in Houston..and is a big reason they became relevant. I would trade a 2nd round pick for 5 solid years of QB play

Quote:Kirk Cousins is better than Matt Flynn. Significantly, IMO. 

 

You're wrong. They are comparable.

 

Matt Flynn has a better career QB rating, better career TD:INT ratio (by far), better completion %. The only stat category Cousins leads in is Yards Per Attempt.

 

I don't know what you see in Cousins that makes you think he is going to be a good starter in the NFL. He has a "meh" arm, he locks onto receivers, makes questionable decisions, and has average size/athleticism. Cousins screams career backup.

Quote:may I remind you he had some very very good years in Houston..and is a big reason they became relevant.

Schaub's best year was still textbook QB purgatory. Super Bowl talent roster that couldn't beat anyone except the also QB purgatorized Bengals and Andy Dalton in the playoffs because of Schaub.

Quote:Schaub's best year was still textbook QB purgatory. Super Bowl talent roster that couldn't beat anyone except the also QB purgatorized Bengals and Andy Dalton in the playoffs because of Schaub.

 

He's 1-1 in the playoffs.  His loss was against Tom Brady.  Yes, he isn't Tom Brady - but he's good enough to reach the playoffs and give your team a chance.  And I think we might have all overrated the Texans a little bit, maybe they're not THAT good actually. 

 

Matt Schaub is about as good as you can realistically hope for when you trade for a QB.  Teams aren't just going to trade away a QB in the Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees category.

 

We Jaguars fans should know better than anyone how hard it is to find a half-way decent QB.  Would you guys trade a 2nd round pick for a 25-26 year old David Garrard?  I would in a heartbeat. 

 

We need to stop looking at just negatives and realize that what we have is much MUCH worse.  If you can significantly upgrade the most important position on your team, for a 2nd round pick for example, then you do it.  Even if that QB isn't perfect.

 

I think it's a much better idea than drafting some inferior prospects in the 2nd or 3rd round because chances are, they aren't going to be as good as your Matt Schaubs of the world.

Quote:Matt Schaub is about as good as you can realistically hope for when you trade for a QB.  Teams aren't just going to trade away a QB in the Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees category.

 

Sure, which is just more credence to the draft your QB (and draft him high) argument.