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Quote:But yet youre willing to trade up for an unproven qb in the draft? For every Russell wilson, theres 10 Blaine Gabberts!
I'd rather draft an unproven rookie QB with a high ceiling (Bridgewater, Carr) than trade a high-round pick for a mediocre QB (who is also unproven) without a high ceiling.
Quote:I'd rather draft an unproven rookie QB with a high ceiling (Bridgewater, Carr) than trade a high-round pick for a mediocre QB (who is also unproven) without a high ceiling.
What makes his ceiling low?
High ceiling, low ceiling, I am really not sure if anybody really knows what players have a high or low ceiling.
Quote:I'd rather draft an unproven rookie QB with a high ceiling (Bridgewater, Carr) than trade a high-round pick for a mediocre QB (who is also unproven) without a high ceiling.
Again, like Gabbert?
First of all, I never said Cousins ceiling was low so lets stop with the strawman. Not having a high ceiling does not mean someone has a low ceiling. Cousins average arm strength, average athleticism, and average size are three big reasons I never saw him being an above average starting QB. I have already stated why several times. Read the scouting reports on Cousins and they are basically in line with what I'm saying.
At Michigan St., Cousins never showed me that he had the tools to be a good starter the NFL. Nothing has changed. He still has average arm strength, average athleticism, and average size. He still locks down receivers and forces throws.
The Jaguars will have much more potential going Bridgewater with the 1st and BAP with the 2nd than going Cousins with the 2nd and BAP with the 1st.
Atburg, we should never draft a QB high again because of Blaine Gabbert? Does that mean that no one should draft a QB high anymore? I mean, the Browns busted with Couch, the Raiders busted with Russell, Texans busted with Carr, the Vikings busted with Ponder, the Jaguars busted with Gabbert.
It happens. That doesn't mean you pass settle for overpaying average QBs. You trust your GM and scouts to do their job and draft the guy they think has the best future.
I have watched Cousins play at both levels, and think with the chance to start for a team on a consistent longer term basis, he would become an average NFL QB. It's just my opinion. The positive side of acquiring Cousins is that he has now played in the league and removes the risk of a draft bust. However, I would rather do better than 'average'. If the goal is to get into the playoffs and compete for championships, I would roll the dice high in the draft to improve the odds that the QB selection is not a bust and better than average.
On a side note, I don't think Washington is going to trade him this off season. He's a serviceable very affordable backup, and RGIII needs to work his way through some injury and recent performance demons. Cousins signed a 4 year minimal deal, and is locked into Washington through the 2015 season...having a solid backup in the NFL is no longer just a luxury.
Quote:Atburg, we should never draft a QB high again because of Blaine Gabbert? Does that mean that no one should draft a QB high anymore? I mean, the Browns busted with Couch, the Raiders busted with Russell, Texans busted with Carr, the Vikings busted with Ponder, the Jaguars busted with Gabbert.
It happens. That doesn't mean you pass settle for overpaying average QBs. You trust your GM and scouts to do their job and draft the guy they think has the best future.
You just proved my point with your list! Never said not to draft a qb high, but it is a crapshoot that can go either way. For you to say dont trade for Cousins due to backup qb's rarely working out, how do you know Teddy will?
Cousins is the most 'high effort thrower' in the NFL right now. He strains his entire body so much just to get the ball 20 yards downfield. I don't trust him to be able to carry a team in a cold, windy, snowy December game w/ the playoffs on the line...much less actually in the playoffs.
Definition of QB purgatory. No thanks.
Quote:Only one of those stats looks at career totals, the rest are ratios or per game averages. Fact remains though, Bob Griffin is horribly overrated.
Cousins' two starts were against 3-10 teams (Browns and Falcons)
Quote:Cousins is the most 'high effort thrower' in the NFL right now. He strains his entire body so much just to get the ball 20 yards downfield. I don't trust him to be able to carry a team in a cold, windy, snowy December game w/ the playoffs on the line...much less actually in the playoffs.
Definition of QB purgatory. No thanks.
You use that same phrase on anyone not named Teddy.
Quote:Cousins' two starts were against 3-10 teams (Browns and Falcons)
And the Jags 4 wins this year were against all bad teams. So?
Quote:You use that same phrase on anyone not named Teddy.
I definitely don't. I only use it on average QBs.
Quote:And the Jags 4 wins this year were against all bad teams. So?
And winning those 4 games did not make the Jaguars a good team. Likewise, looking good against the lowly Browns and Falcons does not prove Kirk Cousins is either good or consistent.
Quote:You just proved my point with your list! Never said not to draft a qb high, but it is a crapshoot that can go either way. For you to say dont trade for Cousins due to backup qb's rarely working out, how do you know Teddy will?
I'd rather take my chance in the crapshoot than settle for a game-manager-at-best QB like Kirk Cousins. A lot of people, including scouts, agree with me, so I'm not sure why you are pretending like I am in the minority with that opinion.
Quote:I'd rather take my chance in the crapshoot than settle for a game-manager-at-best QB like Kirk Cousins. A lot of people, including scouts, agree with me, so I'm not sure why you are pretending like I am in the minority with that opinion.
I 100% agree with you. Cousins is ok. Nothing special. Il take my chances in the draft after months and months of scouting.
I vote for both. Hopefully there's at least two new QB's next season, doubles the chances of maybe finding the guy.
Quote:You use that same phrase on anyone not named Teddy.
Quote:I definitely don't. I only use it on average QBs.
And so your point is...?
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