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Quote:I love these message board prognosticators. I know it's part of the fabric of message board posting, but how can anyone claim TC would be better at Head of Football Operations than GM or Head Coach? I don't think he's ever been head of Football Operations but we know he's taken a bunch of other team's cast offs and rookies to the Championship game, and he's won two Super Bowls as a head coach. SMH.

 

Regards..................the Chiefjag

 

...so says a message board prognosticator...

Quote:Gus has definitely been a major problem. So has Dave, Blake, and the majority of the roster. 

 

This is just patently false.

 

Yes, Gus is a problem.  Basically THE problem.

 

Blake has been a problem.  Is it him, or coaching, or what?  That's a question mark.  The last 2 seasons were so drastically different for him it's hard to say which is the REAL Bortles.

 

Dave... look, I get the weak argument.  He hired Gus.  At the time, it was widely accepted that it was a good move.  No one could realistically predicted or expected him to turn out to be the worst HC in NFL History.  No one.  Yes, he drafted Blake.  12 months ago, the story was how Blake Bortles was poised to be the next Superstar QB in the NFL.  Something happened.  We don't know for sure what, yet.  Next season (or at least offseason) will tell us what we need to know there.

 

No, Luke Joekel did not work out.  Again, when the pick was made, it was widely considered the correct pick.  You don't get to play revisionist history with drafts.  2013 wasn't a great draft, but most considered Luke a near-can't-miss.

 

Fowler hasn't been what we expected him to be.  Again, I don't know if this is coaching, talent, what it is.  The kid hasn't even played a full season, yet, so let's leave that "bust" argument at home.  Most DEs aren't great in their first year.

 

Ramsey... I mean.. come on, nothing needs said here.

 

People like to point at the FA "misses" over the last couple of years, forgetting that even those players who ended up being "bad" were STILL upgrades over the current personnel.  People like to forget what the roster looked like.  Parnell is a great example.  Obviously not good enough.  Was still an improvement.

 

Julius Thomas is a question mark as well.  Is he even being utilized correctly?  We've all seen it.  Countless TE passes in the flat, or behind the line, which is completely counter to his strength.  Why were we not sending him up the seam?  How reliable has his QB play been?  The 2nd half of last season, once he recovered from injury and got on the same page, he started making a pretty solid impact.  This year... no one is on offense.

 

Ivory, well... we know what our run blocking is, but you can see the flashes.  When he actually gets a bit of a lane, the explosiveness, the power, it's there.  No RB can be successful getting hit behind the line all the time.  Not since Barry retired, at least.

 

Mid-late round draft selections have performed well.  There's no such thing as a "miss" in the 6th and 7th round since many of those guys don't even make rosters, but Dave's been pretty solid drafting there.

 

If any of us had a Crystal Ball and could tell you exactly who in the draft was going to be a star and who would falter, we'd be very very rich...  We're not.  We're sitting here on a Football Team's Message Board pointing at hindsight asking "Why didn't you know what was going to happen!?'

 

As for retaining Gus... well... you gotta talk to Shad Khan about that.  I suspect there's a reason Dave's been missing lately... no reason to take the questions about firing Gus when the owner is the one who's decided to stick with him.

I've had my doubts about all this Coughlin talk but at this point I'd welcome him in whatever capacity he wants.


Guy is a proven winner , defeated the Dark Lord Belichick twice Super Bowls and is a culture maker i.e not Bradleys fake "improve every day" mantra but a real culture that enforcers discipline, standards and doesn't accept losing.

Quote:This is just patently false.

You don't get to play revisionist history with drafts.  

Dude, you absolutely play revisionist history. It's called a job evaluation. Have you never had a job evaluation? You look back at performance and compare what you did to what you could or should have done. What Dave did and what Dave could and should have done are rarely the same thing. 

 

In 4 years of top 5 draft picks and the most salary cap room in league history, Dave has given us like 6-7 draftees and 2 FA worth building a core of a team around. That's really below average.

I'd take TC for a two or three year run as Head Coach. He'd eradicate the Gus virus and be an invaluable resource for Caldwell and everyone else and be able to groom an appropriate successor. No downside whatsoever. And the fans would erupt with emotion his first game back.

I'd take coughlin back right now, like, immediately, and never think twice about it... he would take all the talent we DO have, and actually turn it into positive results on the field, unlike this buffoon we have right now

Quote:...so says a message board prognosticator...

You apparently don't know the definition of prognosticator; it's to predict or foretell. Everything I said was historical fact.

 

Regards.................the Chiefjag

Quote:You apparently don't know the definition of prognosticator; it's to predict or foretell. Everything I said was historical fact.

 

Regards.................the Chiefjag

 

Are you not using his past to prognosticate, or at least ponder, the success he could have here again in a GM or HC capacity?

 

I suppose you just went off topic on yourself.  My bad.

 

Guess you were just 'SMH' on accident.  Had nothing to do with disagreeing with someone else's opinion of what his role might be, or what it might best be at this stage of his career.

How many head coaches have won the super bowl with 2 different teams?

Coughlin may not be the answer as HC.

Quote:How many head coaches have won the super bowl with 2 different teams?

Coughlin may not be the answer as HC.

 

Some have come close. There's always a first.


 

Coughlin is among the top tier. I'm in the Jon Gruden camp (a camp of one?), but anyone would be an improvement over Gus.

I think the only way that Coughlin comes back as a coach is if he thinks this team is close to contending.  I can't see any 70 year-old man wanting to bang his head against the wall for a team that is going to have to rebuild...again.

Quote:How many head coaches have won the super bowl with 2 different teams?

Coughlin may not be the answer as HC.

There haven't been all that many coaches who coached another team after bringing a team to a Super Bowl. Since 1990, Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, and Mike Holmgren have moved on to coach another team (two Redskins stints for Gibbs). They were all pretty successful, short of gold with Shanahan being the exception, and even he had at least one winning season. If it werent for some bad officiating, Holmgren would have done it.

Quote:I think the only way that Coughlin comes back as a coach is if he thinks this team is close to contending. I can't see any 70 year-old man wanting to bang his head against the wall for a team that is going to have to rebuild...again.

Maybe for any other team. I think that Jacksonville is a special opportunity for him and writes a fine narrative for which he can retire on with closure. He obviously has a strong affinity for the Jaguars.

Quote:@jasonlacanfora Jaguars expected to reach out to Tom Coughlin, who has mutual interest - https://t.co/8YWtYT4QKi https://t.co/va9k8ZzdTr

expected by who?

Tom Coughlin up by 17 points with 3 minutes left in the game.

 

Quote:I think the only way that Coughlin comes back as a coach is if he thinks this team is close to contending.  I can't see any 70 year-old man wanting to bang his head against the wall for a team that is going to have to rebuild...again.

 

Given the fact that 3 normal teams in the AFC South are 6-6 and the team with the best defense in the division is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs tells me we are pretty close to contending....

 

TC has a job to finish here.  :thumbsup:

That's def not an "I'm OK You're oK" kind of Head Coach.

Another endorsement.

I think total control and lots of money would be hard for him to resist.  I hope we get him. 

Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://sports.yahoo.com/news/david-carr-tom-coughlin-absolutely-would-be-perfect-fit-to-run-jaguars-again-164002071.html'>Another endorsement.</a>

Kind of got me hyped up, reading that.


I've gotten to the point where it's coughlin ,Harbaugh, or bust. And by bust, I mean I probably won't get too excited or hyped up about another rookie HC.