Quote:The best rushing teams in the NFL have every down rushers. Pittsburgh, Dallas, Arizona, Tennessee and San Diego. Even the Pats offense has thrived since they quit playing musical RB's and let Blount be the lead RB. Why anybody would want to have a 2 RB system when they don't have to, is beyond me.
Guess what the common theme is between all of them.....all great run blocking lines.
Individually we have two running backs who can run for 1,000 yards by themselves. Unfortunately the run blocking sucks so we have to use both of them.
Quote:The best rushing teams in the NFL have every down rushers. Pittsburgh, Dallas, Arizona, Tennessee and San Diego. Even the Pats offense has thrived since they quit playing musical RB's and let Blount be the lead RB. Why anybody would want to have a 2 RB system when they don't have to, is beyond me.
A two back system works very well with a decent line blocking. It insulates each back from injury and keeps legs fresh late in games.
Funny that you mention the chargers. They were a two-back team until Woodhead was injured.
Tennessee- who you listed - has used a two back system in four games this year.
Cardinals - who you listed - also tried to have a two-back system this season but had injuries and player regression that altered the depth chart.
Just look at Gurley with the Rams. Can't do a thing with how bad the run blocking line is.
Better off to fix the line and then pick a RB in 3/4/5th rounds if we need it.
Good run blocking lines allow you to be productive no matter who has to run the ball.
Quote:Guess what the common theme is between all of them.....all great run blocking lines.
Individually we have two running backs who can run for 1,000 yards by themselves. Unfortunately the run blocking sucks so we have to use both of them.
I'm certainly not saying we ignore the O-Line, but we can fix the O-line and and drastically upgrade the RB position as well. Because what we have now is crap at both spots.
Quote:A two back system works very well with a decent line blocking. It insulates each back from injury and keeps legs fresh late in games.
Funny that you mention the chargers. They were a two-back team until Woodhead was injured.
Tennessee- who you listed - has used a two back system in four games this year.
Cardinals - who you listed - also tried to have a two-back system this season but had injuries and player regression that altered the depth chart.
You can't call any of those guys as coming from a two back system. Gordon ranks #2 behind Ezekiel Elliott in rushing attempts, Murray ranks #4 and Johnson ranks #5. Their backups maybe get 5 carries in a game. As far as Gordon, yes Woodhead
did split carries with him, but do you notice what happened when D.W. got injured? Gordon took over the job as the feature back and a pitiful look running offense blossomed into one of the most successful in the NFL. If that doesn't help me prove my point, nothing will. The only games in which Henry got significant carries this year was when DeMarco Murray was dinged up. It's not because they wanted them to split carries, it was from trying not to overwork an already injured feature back.
Quote:I'm certainly not saying we ignore the O-Line, but we can fix the O-line and and drastically upgrade the RB position as well. Because what we have now is crap at both spots.
The proof is in the pudding really. Ivory has already proven to be a 1,000 yard rusher behind a decent line, Yeldon has showed he can do that too.
Should only draft a RB in the 3rd or later. That's where the value is.
Quote:The proof is in the pudding really. Ivory has already proven to be a 1,000 yard rusher behind a decent line, Yeldon has showed he can do that too.
Should only draft a RB in the 3rd or later. That's where the value is.
Chris Ivory did that on another team and before he came down with some "mystery illness" before the season. I still believe that could be part of his problem, because he looks like a completely different RB since his illness and not in a good way. As far as Yeldon, quit saying he has proven to be a 1,000 yard runner. That simply isn't true.
As far as a RB, I'm taking the best available player when we pick in every round. If it is a RB, so be it. If it's not, fine. You never turn down the best guy on the board, unless you have a young superstar with a log term deal, already at that position.
Quote:Chris Ivory did that on another team and before he came down with some "mystery illness" before the season. I still believe that could be part of his problem, because he looks like a completely different RB since his illness and not in a good way. As far as Yeldon, quit saying he has proven to be a 1,000 yard runner. That simply isn't true.
As far as a RB, I'm taking the best available player when we pick in every round. If it is a RB, so be it. If it's not, fine. You never turn down the best guy on the board, unless you have a young superstar with a log term deal, already at that position.
I said Yeldon showed he can do that. Which is true.
Yeah you do. The draft is always a combination of BAP and need. To just do one or the other is pointless.
Quote:I said Yeldon showed he can do that. Which is true.
Yeah you do. The draft is always a combination of BAP and need. To just do one or the other is pointless.
No he hasn't. You were only speculating that he could.
You always take the best available player, period. You worry about filling needs after the draft via UDFA and available free agents. Never pass up great players. When you draft for need, you reach.
Quote:No he hasn't. You were only speculating that he could.
You always take the best available player, period. You worry about filling needs after the draft via UDFA and available free agents. Never pass up great players. When you draft for need, you reach.
Yeah he had 740 with 4 games left. How many yards do you think he would have finished with?
Nope you don't. If the best player available in rounds 1,2 and 3 is a running back do you take all 3 of them? Of course not.
Quote:You can't call any of those guys as coming from a two back system. Gordon ranks #2 behind Ezekiel Elliott in rushing attempts, Murray ranks #4 and Johnson ranks #5. Their backups maybe get 5 carries in a game. As far as Gordon, yes Woodhead did split carries with him, but do you notice what happened when D.W. got injured? Gordon took over the job as the feature back and a pitiful look running offense blossomed into one of the most successful in the NFL. If that doesn't help me prove my point, nothing will. The only games in which Henry got significant carries this year was when DeMarco Murray was dinged up. It's not because they wanted them to split carries, it was from trying not to overwork an already injured feature back.
Cardinals intended to have a multi-back system quite clearly if you paid
any attention in the preseason. They thought Ellington would be a significant role player. Tennessee tried it, but the rookie was simply not effective enough to warrant the number of touches.
San Diego
tried to do it with Woodhead and Gordon but ironically it was Gordon who underperformed initially. Then Woodhead got hurt and Gordon emerged.
Number of attempts at this point means nothing to the point I'm making.
Quote:Cardinals intended to have a multi-back system quite clearly if you paid any attention in the preseason. They thought Ellington would be a significant role player. Tennessee tried it, but the rookie was simply not effective enough to warrant the number of touches.
San Diego tried to do it with Woodhead and Gordon but ironically it was Gordon who underperformed initially. Then Woodhead got hurt and Gordon emerged.
Number of attempts at this point means nothing to the point I'm making.
The point is that maybe they attempted 2 back systems, but when that plan fell through and those teams went to one feature back, they flourished.
Quote:Yeah he had 740 with 4 games left. How many yards do you think he would have finished with?
Nope you don't. If the best player available in rounds 1,2 and 3 is a running back do you take all 3 of them? Of course not.
I have no idea, because it would be pure speculation. I deal in realities.
Of course, if you fill a position in an earlier round, you don't take another player in that same position later in the draft........ unless it's a position where you need more than one guy. An example of that would we our need at OG or OT. We could use a couple starting OG's as well as a starting RT and a good swing Tackle.
Quote:I have no idea, because it would be pure speculation. I deal in realities.
Of course, if you fill a position in an earlier round, you don't take another player in that same position later in the draft........ unless it's a position where you need more than one guy. An example of that would we our need at OG or OT. We could use a couple starting OG's as well as a starting RT and a good swing Tackle.
His average was 60 per game so he was on pace for 1,000. Not a huge leap of faith to make. Even if it doesn't agree with your argument.
Exactly. The draft is , and always has been a mixture between need and BAP. Its not just one or the other.
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