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Quote:Brilliant insight, as always

 

you're asking if an average oline is all a team needs, it's a simple answer for a simple question, NO.

Quote:No

 

Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers would beg to differ

Quote:Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers would beg to differ

 

 

Manning, Rogers, Ryan, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Luck, Griffen, and a whole host of other QB's would tell you they live and die by that extra 2 seconds an above average line gives them.

Quote:you're asking if an average oline is all a team needs, it's a simple answer for a simple question, NO.

 

Try reading what I wrote 10 times and maybe you will comprehend.  Based on your spelling and posting history, you seem to be a completely utter thick tool.  No offense.

Quote:Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers would beg to differ

 

Sure looked like Wilson wished he had a better line yesterday......

Quote:Try reading what I wrote 10 times and maybe you will comprehend.  Based on your spelling and posting history, you seem to be a completely utter thick tool.  No offense.

 

Funny guy, you're offended because you don't like the answer? might wanna thicken up the skin buddy.

Wilson's line is injured.  Despite playing with a terrible O-Line, he is getting them W's (with the help of their defense).

 

A lot of other QBs have done really well playing with average and even below average QBs.

 

At no point is anyone advocating having bad offensive lines... the question is whether a premium left tackle is vital?

Is it more important to have an all-pro LT but also have 2 horrible players on your O-line?  Would you rather have that than 5 average players on the O-line?  I don't know, not sure.  That's why the question has been raised.

 

There have been recent examples of QBs performing well despite having a horrible O-line.  There has also been instances where a bad O-line cripples the entire offense.   I think that I would rather have 5 average offensive lineman than Tony Boselli if he has to line up next to Will freaking Rackley and the 35 year old Meester's of this world.

Quote:Wilson's line is injured.  Despite playing with a terrible O-Line, he is getting them W's (with the help of their defense).

 

A lot of other QBs have done really well playing with average and even below average QBs.

 

At no point is anyone advocating having bad offensive lines... the question is whether a premium left tackle is vital?

Is it more important to have an all-pro LT but also have 2 horrible players on your O-line?  Would you rather have that than 5 average players on the O-line?  I don't know, not sure.  That's why the question has been raised.

 

There have been recent examples of QBs performing well despite having a horrible O-line.  There has also been instances where a bad O-line cripples the entire offense.   I think that I would rather have 5 average offensive lineman than Tony Boselli if he has to line up next to Will freaking Rackley and the 35 year old Meester's of this world.

 

LT usually cover the QB's blindside, if he's dropping back to pass more, then the LT is even more important.

 

So in response to the original question you got all offended over, YES, it is still a premium position and very important to have a premium LT. A Premium LT doesn't mean the guy was drafted in the top 10 picks of the 1st round, it means he plays at a high level. So the answer to your question is still NO, Good QB's do not just require "average" olines, they need the extra time quality lines give them to deliver the ball.

Quote:The tag for a LT is probably more than he is worth

 

I agree but sometimes you need to overpay a  player or 2 to create a solid football team.

Quote:He's top-10 for the purpose of helping your argument for more draft picks, but you didn't believe that before the trade.

 

The 4th and 5th is a decent trade. 

 

I didn't?? Thats false. I was never a Monroe basher. I did believe he was top 10. 

 

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Good QBs have to perform with bad lines. 

 

 

This ^^^ . Game. Set. Match.

Quote:I watched the entire Ravens/Steelers game and he played well in their loss. I guess that doesn't count much since the Pats just lit up the Steelers with 55 points.

Monroe actually played well yesterday. He isn't the problem on the Ravens offensive line. Osemele is out, Yanda is playing hurt and Gradkowski (probably spelled it wrong) is worse than Meester. Monroe is also better than Oher by quite a bit. He's actually their best o-lineman.

Quote:I didn't?? Thats false. I was never a Monroe basher. I did believe he was top 10. 

 

 

 

This ^^^ . Game. Set. Match.

 

I didn't say you bashed him. I'm saying you never believed his was a top-10 LT before the trade. 

Quote:Baltimore's line has played horribly lately culminating in possibly their worst game of the season yesterday (as far as line play goes). Rice was held to a ridiculously low yardage total and it was because there was simply nowhere to run. 

 

With Baltimore losing, they now sit at 3-5, which makes those 4th & 5th round picks that we received reside in the upper half of those particular rounds. Even if Balt finishes the rest of the season at a reasonable 4-4 record, those picks would still be in the upper half of those rounds. 

You have blasted the Jag managment for this trade relentlessly, and now you want to flop on your stance? I don't think so.

 

Either you have lost your mind or you are losing your game.

 

I'm not sure which it is yet.

Quote:Monroe actually played well yesterday. He isn't the problem on the Ravens offensive line. Osemele is out, Yanda is playing hurt and Gradkowski (probably spelled it wrong) is worse than Meester. Monroe is also better than Oher by quite a bit. He's actually their best o-lineman.

 

Related to what you mentioned,    Kelechi Osemele was placed on I.R. today.       With C Matt Birk retired and at a much lower weight than what he played at,   that's two interior Offensive Lineman from the Ravens Super Bowl winning run that are clearly out of the picture the rest of this season:

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...d-reserve/

Monroe has always been an average tackle and no where near elite.

 

A true measure of a LT is how one performs against elite players.  Monroe always has struggled against decent De's.

 

Glad he is gone and glad we got something in trade.

Quote:I agree, I still think they could have managed the trade better and got better compensation, but I am just trying to look at the situation as half-full as I can at this point. The more the Ravens lose, the better it will be for us. 

 

Agreed about the current OL, too. 

 

 

Quote:You have blasted the Jag managment for this trade relentlessly, and now you want to flop on your stance? I don't think so.

 

Either you have lost your mind or you are losing your game.

 

I'm not sure which it is yet.

 

 

Well, AngryDakota, you obviously only read that one post so I'll direct you to the above quote made several posts later in the thread. No where am I flopping the stance. Just trying to see it for as positive as it can be. 

Guys, guys - Monroe isn't worth all this fighting!

 

I miss Eben Britton, the Jaguars' warrior poet.. 

Quote:Monroe has always been an average tackle and no where near elite.


A true measure of a LT is how one performs against elite players. Monroe always has struggled against decent De's.


Glad he is gone and glad we got something in trade.

I think you're reaching a bit here. If anything Monroe elevated his game against elite tackles. I distinctly remember him stonewalling Jared Allen last year and JJ Watt never had a above average game going against him (Guy Whimper is another story). He year in and year out held his own against the Mathis/Freeney combo with Freeney schooling him only in his rookie year.

Our Eugene Monroe?  You mean that dude that was our LT that we traded for a 4th and a 5th?  Man I hope we get some good payoff for that trade. 

 

Don't care if we got the 1st pick in the 4th and 1st pick in the 5th guaranteed, it was still a head scratching move---AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE

 

With that said, if Caldwell can play his cards right and it turns into peices that ensure our franchise I will laude it as a genius move.  As of now...  I'm still scratching my head. 

 

It does seem odd that the OP is flip flopping so quickly.  I wonder if possibly someone hacked his account...

Quote:I think you're reaching a bit here. If anything Monroe elevated his game against elite tackles. I distinctly remember him stonewalling Jared Allen last year and JJ Watt never had a above average game going against him (Guy Whimper is another story). He year in and year out held his own against the Mathis/Freeney combo with Freeney schooling him only in his rookie year.

 

 

Agreed. Monroe would come to play when the competition was at its best, although on the flip side he can be somewhat inconsistent in pass protection. What I like best about him though was his run blocking dominance, and that's something we're simply never going to get from Cam Bradfield.


 

I do think Monroe is better than many in this thread are crediting him for being, but I also think the trade was largely based on Caldwell's fears about being able to retain him. Its been speculated that it might take the franchise tag to get him to stay, but the tag for OLs next year is expected to be around $10 mil.