10-05-2013, 08:04 PM
10-05-2013, 08:48 PM
Quote:I have no clue what this is suppose to mean. If you're suggesting I'm calling for Bradley's head after this season you're wrong. I will say if the team continues to play this ineptly throughout the season then his seat should be warming.
Losing out only gets you to roll the dice sooner. We all know that drafting a QB is rolling the dice. People want to say "oh, boy look at the Colts I'm sure they were upset they drafted first." Does anyone want to go back and look at the last 15 years of 1st overall draft picks?
Tim Couch - Browns
M. Vick -- Atl
David Carr -- Houston
C. Palmer - Cincy
E. Manning - S.D.
Alex Smith - 49'er
J. Russell - Oak
M. Stafford - Det
S. Bradford - St. L
C. Newton - Carolina
A. Luck - Indy
So, 11 times out of the last 15 years, in this "QB era", a QB was taken 1st overall. Look at that list and tell me how many of those guys turned a team into significant relevancy? There's only 1 SB winner in that list.
Now look at the QB's considered top QB's in the league:
Brady - 6th round
Flacco - 18th overall
Roethlisberger - 11th overall
RGIII - 2nd overall
A. Rodgers - 24th overall
Matt Ryan - 3rd overall
Drew Brees - 64th overall
R. Willson - 75th overall
Kaepernick - 36th overall
Look at that list then realize we took Blaine Gabbert 10th overall and Leftwich 7th overall. We've drafted 2 QB's in the top 10 and neither one of them worked out. We will be drafting in the top 10 again, guaranteed. There's plenty of serviceable QB's such as Cutler (11th), Romo (UDFA), Rivers (4th), Schaub (90th), Dalton (35th) that could be much better if they had a better supporting cast.
The point is losing out will only discourage more fans from buying tickets. Guys like TMD can sit in Jersey and tell us how much better we'd be if we lose since he's not buying tickets and sitting in the seats. If I wasn't spending my money, sitting in the seats every Sunday watching a totally incompetent team, then I might be indifferent like him.
But I'd like to see some wins. I'd like to be encouraged going into next season that we have something positive working here. At the end of the season I would like to see this team compete man-to-man with Houston, Tenn, and Indy. We'll be drafting high enough anyway, at least a winning streak at the end of the season gives the fans some hope.
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
Of those 11 Quarterbacks, 4 would be considered franchise-caliber Quality -- 36%
Beyond the first pick in the past 15 years, QB's taken rounds 2-3:
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Cade McCown
Shaun King
Chad Pennington
Drew Brees
Quincy Carter
Marques Tuaisosopo
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Josh McCown
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
Dave Ragone
Chris Simms
Phillip Rivers
Ben Rothlisberger
J.P Losman
Matt Schaub
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Charlie Frye
Andrew Walter
David Greene
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Kellen Clemens
Taravis Jackson
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Croyle
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb
John Beck
Drew Stanton
Trent Edwards
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Bohm
Chad Henne
Kevin O'Connell
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Pat White
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen
Colt McCoy
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Andy Dalton
Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Mallett
RGIII
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weeden
Brock Osweiller
Russell Wilson
Nick Foles
E.J. Manuel
Geno Smith
Mike Glennon
Total of 64 quarterbacks.
Of which I'd say (even counting some I disagree with such as Andy Dalton who is in a good situation and still not doing so hot) 15 are franchise-caliber QB's.
Which equals 23.4%
Including just later 1st rounders:
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Cade McCown
Chad Pennington
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
Phillip Rivers
Ben Rothlisberger
J.P Losman
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Jay Cutler
Brady Quinn
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Tim Tebow
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
RGIII
Ryan Tannehill
Brandon Weeden
E.J. Manuel
31 QB's of which I'd say 10 are franchise quality guys or 32.25%
Out of all 75 QB's: 25%
1st pick only; 36.36%
1st round: 33%
1st round, not counting first pick: 32.25%
1st-3rd not counting first pick: 23.4%
So I'd say that first pick has a decent success rate with all things considered.
10-05-2013, 09:35 PM
I made a spread sheet a couple years back in regards to QB success based the round drafted. It's about 30% success rate, and then it drops significantly from there.
It's obvious we'll have either the 1st or 2nd pick this year. There are 3 QB's in this draft I think have the potential to be all pro... It's up to Caldwell to decide who that QB is. I just watched the you tube video of Teddy B against Tulane. He looks pretty darn good.
He'll need to also have a good mental make up and strong character to be a high caliber QB. I haven't heard anything negative on him so far. So I can see where alot of folks are excited about the kid.
Man, I just wish I could go into cryogenic sleep and just be woken up when this season is over!
Oh by the way, Tampa's HC is on the hot seat. I'm sure he's gonna do everything he can to win games.
QB
Year
round
Team
bust
Franchise
Serviceable
Sam Bradford
2010
1
Rams
Y
na
Tim Tebow
2010
1
Broncos
Y
na
Matt Stafford
2009
1
Lions
na
Y
Marc Sanchez
2009
1
Jets
Y
na
Josh Freeman
2009
1
Bucs
Y
na
Matt Ryan
2008
1
Falcons
Y
Joe Flacco
2008
1
Ravens
y
Jamarcus Russel
2007
1
Raiders
Y
Brady Quinn
2007
1
Browns
Y
Vince Young
2006
1
Titans
Y
Matt Leinhart
2006
1
Cardinals
Y
Jay Cutler
2006
1
Broncos
Y
Alex Smith
2005
1
49ers
Y
Aaron Rodgers
2005
1
Packers
Y
Jason Campbell
2005
1
Redskins
Y
Eli Manning
2004
1
Chargers
Y
Phillip Rivers
2004
1
Giants
Y
Ben Rothlesberger
2004
1
Steelers
Y
Carson Palmer
2003
1
Bengals
Y
Byron Leftwich
2003
1
Jaguars
Y
Kyle Boller
2003
1
Ravens
Y
Rex Grossman
2003
1
Bears
Y
David Carr
2002
1
Texans
Y
Joey Harrington
2002
1
Lions
Y
Patrick Ramsey
2002
1
Redskins
Y
Mike Vick
2001
1
Falcons
Y
Chad Pennington
2001
1
Jets
Y
It's obvious we'll have either the 1st or 2nd pick this year. There are 3 QB's in this draft I think have the potential to be all pro... It's up to Caldwell to decide who that QB is. I just watched the you tube video of Teddy B against Tulane. He looks pretty darn good.
He'll need to also have a good mental make up and strong character to be a high caliber QB. I haven't heard anything negative on him so far. So I can see where alot of folks are excited about the kid.
Man, I just wish I could go into cryogenic sleep and just be woken up when this season is over!
Oh by the way, Tampa's HC is on the hot seat. I'm sure he's gonna do everything he can to win games.
QB
Year
round
Team
bust
Franchise
Serviceable
Sam Bradford
2010
1
Rams
Y
na
Tim Tebow
2010
1
Broncos
Y
na
Matt Stafford
2009
1
Lions
na
Y
Marc Sanchez
2009
1
Jets
Y
na
Josh Freeman
2009
1
Bucs
Y
na
Matt Ryan
2008
1
Falcons
Y
Joe Flacco
2008
1
Ravens
y
Jamarcus Russel
2007
1
Raiders
Y
Brady Quinn
2007
1
Browns
Y
Vince Young
2006
1
Titans
Y
Matt Leinhart
2006
1
Cardinals
Y
Jay Cutler
2006
1
Broncos
Y
Alex Smith
2005
1
49ers
Y
Aaron Rodgers
2005
1
Packers
Y
Jason Campbell
2005
1
Redskins
Y
Eli Manning
2004
1
Chargers
Y
Phillip Rivers
2004
1
Giants
Y
Ben Rothlesberger
2004
1
Steelers
Y
Carson Palmer
2003
1
Bengals
Y
Byron Leftwich
2003
1
Jaguars
Y
Kyle Boller
2003
1
Ravens
Y
Rex Grossman
2003
1
Bears
Y
David Carr
2002
1
Texans
Y
Joey Harrington
2002
1
Lions
Y
Patrick Ramsey
2002
1
Redskins
Y
Mike Vick
2001
1
Falcons
Y
Chad Pennington
2001
1
Jets
Y