Does he play for the line? Yes. Is his job to protect the QB? Yes. If I hire security to watch one side of my complex. And the other side is always robbed. Still his fault. Wow people like to twist stuff. A tackles primary job is to protect the QB. If the QB can't make plays cause on his butt. Then not doing his job.
Quote:Man you are reaching, you comparing lotto tickets to NFL draft picks?
In 12 games we were not getting anything!!
Why is this hard for you to understand, long odds are better than no odds, are you people really this dense?
This isn't the NBA, there is no such thing as a "rental". We could have tagged him up and solidified our exterior line for our next franchise QB, but instead took peanuts. It's ok to admit it was a mistake, but don't keep driving a broken narrative.
Quote:Yes, and we probably plan on signing a few. Hopefully Alex Mack, and a few others specifically at G. Which will do us more good in the long run. I'm not happy with the compensation either -- I wish we had gotten at least a 3rd. But I think sometimes we fans overestimate the value of players for picks. You have to consider more than just talent, you have to consider age, contract, and a few other factors as well. Given that Levi Brown was had for a conditional 7th-- and Arizona is still picking up most of the tab... I'd say that we probably are. I'd also say that some trades are 'goodwill' trades. Meaning that in the future when Caldwell wants to trade up -- the Ravens will remember that we gave them Monroe for a good deal, and they'll (hopefully) give us one in return.
Did Gene Smith get a GM job somewhere? Cause that's the only way I see a team stupid enough to sign Lewis. Besides, the Patriots have freaking' Gronk.
Yes they have freaking Gronk, who hasn't "freaking" played, either.
And last year in addition to freaking Gronk, they also had freaking Hernandez, who currently resides in freaking jail....so they had 2 freaking TE weapons that they regularly used, not just freaking one....
obviously, Marcedes would finally have to play himself, to show he's healthy, but if/ when that happens, and its before Oct 29 (trade deadline) theres an outside possibility that another trades for him. I'll take a 7th for that scrub.
Quote:Does he play for the line? Yes. Is his job to protect the QB? Yes. If I hire security to watch one side of my complex. And the other side is always robbed. Still his fault. Wow people like to twist stuff. A tackles primary job is to protect the QB. If the QB can't make plays cause on his butt. Then not doing his job.
Sky is blue, blue is color of water, so sky must be water!
just about as good of an argument as what you are defending.
Quote:Yes they have freaking Gronk, who hasn't "freaking" played, either.
And last year in addition to freaking Gronk, they also had freaking Hernandez, who currently resides in freaking jail....so they had 2 freaking TE weapons that they regularly used, not just freaking one....
.Yes, they had 2 TE weapons.
Marcedes Lewis is not a weapon.
Quote:im saying we couldve gotten better value than what we got :whistling:
Boy, if you were the GM ...
Really? From whom? I assume you've called all your buddies, you know, those other GMs, and they told you that.
Right?
Quote:Well, we were stupid enough to give him a GIANT $$$ long term contract, so......stranger things have happened...
Yeah, the people who signed off on that deal still work work for the jags.
Quote:No chance in hell we'd get a 3rd round compensatory pick let alone 2.
"The Houston Texans received the highest pick at No. 95 after losing Mario Williams, Jason Allen, Mike Brisiel and Joel Dreessen in the 2012 offseason"
They got one third and a 6th. You really think we'd get 2 thirds. Most likely we'd get a 5th.
what did they sign as free agents that same offseason?....it all goes into the compensation formula.
Well I certainly wouldn't hire you to protect me lol.
Quote:Don't know where you're getting the "4th" from.
If the Jags let Monroe walk, he would have likely got one of the biggest offseason contracts in free agency. Compensatory pick judgment is determined largely by the amount of money the free agent signs for.
Had the Jags only signed cheap/ short term free agents themselves, they could have garnered as much as 2 third round compensatory picks for Monroe.
The more expensive free agent that Jax signed in the offseason, would have netted the compensation less, however.
Monroe would have likely fetched a contract netting anywhere between 7 and 12 million per year at best next year. We are mandated by league rules to spend at least 20+ million next year. We weren't going to get anything. Even if we continued dumping the rest of our bad contracts, the way they are structured is that even though we eat the dead money, we'd be saving money and would have even more we could have to spend.
Quote:Prove it
not proof but its possible we couldve gotten more value
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Eugene Monroe wasn't even on the block I'm told. Ravens called, offer made sense. To build through the draft, Jags need picks, so open to it
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif;">One more thing on Eugene Monroe trade: It came together in a day. What happens when you have 2 GMs with a good relationship who get it.
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per rotoworld:
<div>According to the NFL Network, the Jaguars are not shopping veteran players ahead of the Oct. 29 deadline.
Why the heck not? The only way the Jags are going to contend anytime soon is by stockpiling draft picks. ProFootballTalk suggests offering Maurice Jones-Drew to the Chargers, injured Marcedes Lewis to the Patriots and Dwight Lowery/Paul Posluszny to anyone that will take them. GM David Caldwell might not be actively shopping these players, but he'd be silly not to take offers seriously.
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Well, if PFT suggests it, they MUST have trade value, right?
Quote:I'm sure the Patriots are stupid enough to trade for an injured Marcedes Lewis. Yup. :thumbsup:
Also, I'm pretty sure the Patriots are on the "no no" list for trades and would cause a certain poster to begin a rant immediately upon any trade announcement.
Quote:not proof but its possible we couldve gotten more value
<div style="margin:0px;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"><a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/RapSheet' title="External link">Ian Rapoport @RapSheet</a><a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/385585451551047680' title="External link">2h</a>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Eugene Monroe wasn't even on the block I'm told. Ravens called, offer made sense. To build through the draft, Jags need picks, so open to it
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/RapSheet' title="External link">Ian Rapoport @RapSheet</a><a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/385587144254713856' title="External link">2h</a>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif;">One more thing on Eugene Monroe trade: It came together in a day. What happens when you have 2 GMs with a good relationship who get it.
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Don't worry Caldwell I'm sure Ian had our teams best interest in his heart.......
Quote:Sky is blue, blue is color of water, so sky must be water!
just about as good of an argument as what you are defending.
If he was in the backfield and no where near the line be different. Monroe is not a franchise Lt not even close.
Quote:If he was in the backfield and no where near the line be different. Monroe is not a franchise Lt not even close.
typical of this board, demonize a guy and down play any talent he has the second he no long wears teal.......
I doubt the likes of MJD, Lewis, and Poz have very much trade value. MJD and Lewis for obvious reasons. Poz has a very difficult contract to trade. Most of his contract is in salary as opposed to guaranteed money. Nobody is going to want to eat almost 8 million per year for a linebacker... especially after having to trade for him.
Quote:typical of this board, demonize a guy and down play any talent he has the second he no long wears teal.......
Typical of this board, overrate a guy and up play any talent he has the second he no longer wears teal.
A cry for attention is what this thread is
I never said he was elite. Not one post. Why do you think 7 other teams passed on him by chance?