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Quote:1.  Gabbert is worse and we still keep him around...  What's up with that?!  We won't be after this year.  Not much can be gained at this point in the season. 


2.  I'm not sure that's the case.  There's actually a chance we might look a bit more competitive (PS I'm for bringing in any QB that can help us).  And we can look worse as well.  Tebow looked beyond bad in preseason, worse the Gabbert.  So yeah, it can get worse. That doesn't take into account the headache his fan base brings with him.


3.  I can see that...  But Caldwell's the one who painted himself into a corner.  Yet another minor mistake by Caldwell.  Lesson:  You never say never...  What corner?  He will have a shot at the best QB in a great QB draft.  That is a great scenario to be in.  You have your pick of franchise QB.  


4.  You don't think 0-16 would be big distraction?  We are just as likely if not more likely to go 0-16 with Tebow who had a 0 QB rating in the preseason along with two games under 34% completion percentage.


5.  Not once he walks on water, touches MJD and gets him back into football shape, and cures Gabbert of lepercy.  There's that at least...


6.  Conceded

7.  Conceded

8.  With the way the team is looking, we're losing fans without him.  And we could lose more with him.  The question is would we lose more fans with tebow then without him.  Both sides will argue that point, but Tebow fans have shown to be mostly talk up to this point.


9.  Tblow is so delusional he won't even consider being a TE.  That point is moot.  Agreed.


10. Agreed.  All I'm saying is that there are options out there that at one point were scoffed at, even by myself, which cannot be scoffed at any longer.  See point #1.  You can very easily interchange Gabbert into that sentence and it would still make sense.  Yes, you can still scoff at Tebow coming here, even with how bad the team is.  It isn't about this year.  This year is about the future.  All we can do is see how it turns out.

Still want to see Robinson.

Quote:1.  Gabbert is worse and we still keep him around...  What's up with that?!  He's gone at the end of the year anyway, no point in doing it sooner (unless Stanzi gets a chance and shows something)


2.  I'm not sure that's the case.  There's actually a chance we might look a bit more competitive (PS I'm for bringing in any QB that can help us) Shane Falco is the only one who can save us now.


3.  I can see that...  But Caldwell's the one who painted himself into a corner.  Yet another minor mistake by Caldwell. The first definitive statement to come out of the GM position in years and you call it a mistake? I call it leadership.  
Lesson:  You never say never...

4.  You don't think 0-16 would be big distraction? No, but the traveling circus would be.


5.  Not once he walks on water, Everyone knows saltwater is more buoyant than freshwater-let him do it in Chicago touches MJD and gets him back into football shape why do do want MJD shaped like a football?,
and cures Gabbert of lepercy.  I thought people didn't want to touch lepers....I see DE's grabbing Gabbert and tossing him around in every game.


6.  Conceded  Hey, I won 1.


7.  Conceded  2 in a row!


8.  With the way the team is looking, we're losing fans without him.  Who cares about the fair-weather fans?  Show me EFFORT and I'll be a fan regardless of record.


9.  Tblow is so delusional he won't even consider being a TE.  That point is moot.  So you want to bring in a delusional spoiled brat who won't play unless he can be the QB?


10. Agreed.  All I'm saying is that there are options out there that at one point were scoffed at, even by myself, which cannot be scoffed at any longer.  I can, and will, continue to scoff at Tblow.
 See point #1.  You can very easily interchange Gabbert into that sentence and it would still make sense.  Eh, Gabbert is already in your first sentence
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I wanted to go back and look at some of Tebows stats to compare him to our current QBs.  I knew he was bad, but I had no idea how bad.  In his only real year as a starter in 2011 he averaged 19 attempts per game with 9 completions.  9.  His QB rating for that year was 72.9, creditable but is mostly based on his 660 yards rushing that year.  His completion percentage was 46.5%.  The amazing thing is people still think he can be an NFL QB.  I just have to shake my head.

Quote:I wanted to go back and look at some of Tebows stats to compare him to our current QBs.  I knew he was bad, but I had no idea how bad.  In his only real year as a starter in 2011 he averaged 19 attempts per game with 9 completions.  9.  His QB rating for that year was 72.9, creditable but is mostly based on his 660 yards rushing that year.  His completion percentage was 46.5%.  The amazing thing is people still think he can be an NFL QB.  I just have to shake my head.

See if you can find his last two regular season game videos with the Broncos.  His performance is horrid.

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Quote:Really. Why would Jacksonville want a Hiesmen trophy winner that led an NFL team to the playoffs (and won a playoff game) and hails from the city of Jacksonville. Would be ludicrous!

 

That is because most of this line IS ludicrous. 

 

Please, I wish people would stop trying to force feed this suckwad on to the jags.  Yes, he put up good numbers in college, but it is obvious now with his CONTINUED failure to make the transition into the NFL has exposed him.  Most of his numbers are attributed to the supporting cast he had, which was far superior to many if not most of what he came up against.  That's gonna make a guy look better.  But hey, he won a Heisman.  Those Heisman winners NEVER fail to make the transition into the NFL, right?

 

Also,

 

The Broncos made the playoffs in spite of him.  Look at the games he won, not a single one of them was against a winning team until he got lucky and struck gold against Pittsburgh, and then turned into a rotten pumpkin the next week.  All but three of "his wins" came in games where the defense held teams to two scores or less.  Most of them were against bottom feeders in the NFL.  There are a lot of bums around the league who have wins under their belt, including his predecessor in Denver, who only lost 2 or 3 games and won more than 20 (mostly with Chicago) under those circumstances.   People give far too much credit to Tebow for that run, and most of those making the decisions see right through it.  Tebow even has a loss in a game where the opponents scored 7 points, at home, with the playoffs still in doubt, against a team that just fired their coach, and had Kyle Freaking Orton taking snaps for them that day.

 

For the Jags, about the only thing he offers is a little bit of buzz around the team, but more so because people think he's a charming kid.  Sure, the jags will sell some tickets simply because he is on the team, but I couldn't possibly care less about his off-field persona, his brand, or anything else about him when the ball is kicked off on Sundays.  Don't care about the gator fans either, whos loyalty to any team only goes as deep as Tebow's tenure on any given team.  No thanks.

 

I don't like any of the current QBs.  But if we are hellbent on changing things up RIGHT NOW, how about we fart around with a QB that might actually be good?  Cuz he isn't.  How about someone that might actually be better than what is on the roster?  I highly doubt it.  Tebow is in his FOURTH season, and has been weighed, measured, and found wanting.  Take away all the hoopla surrounding the kid, you have another third string caliber QB at best with a sub-50 completion percentage.  Shut down his running lanes, most defenses end up having a pretty good day aside from the odd strike that manages to find a target other than grass or the 10th row.  Nobody wants him even when he is practically free.  Dude might even pay to be on a roster right now.

 

You want more tickets sold, then by all means, make some extra cash this season.  But I think people are seriously mistaken if they think he's actually going to take this team anywhere.  What do we have to lose by signing him?  Not much really.  Don't see any real gains either aside from bringing in a circus, so from a football sense, it's just a waste of time.  He's terrible.  Ready to just limp through the season and start again next year without any drama on whether we should keep Tebow or not.

Quote:I wanted to go back and look at some of Tebows stats to compare him to our current QBs.  I knew he was bad, but I had no idea how bad.  In his only real year as a starter in 2011 he averaged 19 attempts per game with 9 completions.  9.  His QB rating for that year was 72.9, creditable but is mostly based on his 660 yards rushing that year.  His completion percentage was 46.5%.  The amazing thing is people still think he can be an NFL QB.  I just have to shake my head.

 

Quote:I wanted to go back and look at some of Tebows stats to compare him to our current QBs.  I knew he was bad, but I had no idea how bad.  In his only real year as a starter in 2011 he averaged 19 attempts per game with 9 completions.  9.  His QB rating for that year was 72.9, creditable but is mostly based on his 660 yards rushing that year.  His completion percentage was 46.5%.  The amazing thing is people still think he can be an NFL QB.  I just have to shake my head.

 

Most of his good numbers came in the 4th quarter in the last 5 minutes of games after they go into prevent "bend but not break" defenses.  He actually thrives in that.  Makes his overall numbers look like he had a lot better day than he typically had.  Examine the stats for the first 3 1/2 quarters, his completion percentage is down in the 30s.  His scoring is putrid.  The Bronco offense led the league in three and outs that year.  Those kind of numbers got JaMarcus fired and cut even when he was leeching a huge chunk of Oakland's payroll.

 

Just don't see why people think Tebow is any kind of a solution at QB for this team.  Or ANY team's ills.  Next year he will be going into his fifth season.  I think most GMS if not all already has a pretty good idea on his skillset.  THAT is what is sinking his career, no matter how much his fans try to paint this as a case of politics and too much media attention being the root cause.  Think anyone would care about any of that if they thought Tebow was actually good enough to back up even half of the hype?

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1.  Gabbert is worse and we still keep him around...  What's up with that?!  He's gone at the end of the year anyway, no point in doing it sooner (unless Stanzi gets a chance and shows something) 
Give Stanzi a chance then.  I can't handle Gabbert or Henne anymore.  Especially when you look at ANY other NFL team.  Again, it all goes back to my opinion that any QB would be easier on my eyes than Gabbert, including T-belch


2.  I'm not sure that's the case.  There's actually a chance we might look a bit more competitive (PS I'm for bringing in any QB that can help us) Shane Falco is the only one who can save us now. 
Only if Gene Hackman can come along as his Offensive Coordinator!


3.  I can see that...  But Caldwell's the one who painted himself into a corner.  Yet another minor mistake by Caldwell. The first definitive statement to come out of the GM position in years and you call it a mistake? I call it leadership.  I'm of the opinion that you should never say never, but I see your point.
  Lesson:  You never say never...

4.  You don't think 0-16 would be big distraction? No, but the traveling circus would be. 
The ring leader may be different, but trust me, the stench of 0-16 would stick with us for a while and it would not be a good thing.


5.  Not once he walks on water, Everyone knows saltwater is more buoyant than freshwater-let him do it in Chicago touches MJD and gets him back into football shape why do do want MJD shaped like a football?,
and cures Gabbert of lepercy.  I thought people didn't want to touch lepers....I see DE's grabbing Gabbert and tossing him around in every game. 
Can't argue any of this!   Conceded


6.  Conceded  Hey, I won 1.


7.  Conceded  2 in a row!


8.  With the way the team is looking, we're losing fans without him.  Who cares about the fair-weather fans?  Show me EFFORT and I'll be a fan regardless of record. 
You just defined 1 half of the requirments for a fair weather fan!  You gotta have effort and wins.  Like it or not, fair weather fans are a part of any successful franchise!


9.  Tblow is so delusional he won't even consider being a TE.  That point is moot.  So you want to bring in a delusional spoiled brat who won't play unless he can be the QB? 
No, remember this isn't what my first arguement was.  I don't want Tebow here either.  I was just pointing out how fall we've fallen at the QB position.  I've heard the rumors of the Tbow family, and if true, they're all kinda a bunch of tools.  But, I'm no longer confident enough in our offense to say that I'd never consider Tbow.  I honestly think he'd be better than what we've seen here for the past 2 years.


10. Agreed.  All I'm saying is that there are options out there that at one point were scoffed at, even by myself, which cannot be scoffed at any longer.  I can, and will, continue to scoff at Tblow.  
As is your right, scoff away.
  See point #1.  You can very easily interchange Gabbert into that sentence and it would still make sense.  Eh, Gabbert is already in your first sentence
.  LOL, not my first sentance, your first sentance that I replied to originally.  :thumbsup: 


 

 

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Quote: Ready to just limp through the season and start again next year without any drama on whether we should keep Tebow or not.

 

Bring him in and you get drama. Don't bring him in and you get drama. That's how it is with the Cult of Mebow.

Easy. Maniel

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STANZI - TIME !!!!!!!!!!

Quote:Bring him in and you get drama. Don't bring him in and you get drama. That's how it is with the Cult of Mebow.

 

Yeah, in a way, Tebow is already kinda holding this team hostage in the press.  The top brass of the Jags keep getting asked about some scrub that isn't even on the team.  They're kinda getting Tebow rammed down their throats whether they want him or not.  I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like that, especially for a guy who can't pass.

 

Nice to see only about a dozen Tebowkistanis showed up for the rally a couple weeks back.  They all had something better to do?  Or is this just an extremely loud minority?

Just had enough of Gabbert. It's not happening. And all the fake positive coachspeak from Bradley isn't going to make it happen. If they continue to run Gabbert out there, I'll be convinced that they are trying to lose just for future plans. That is inexcusable.

I'm going left field here but honestly if i was gm i'll pick up josh freeman for now and see what the team go from there.

I wouldn't be opposed to a game of rock-paper-scissors to determine the starter at this point. 

Quote:I wouldn't be opposed to a game of rock-paper-scissors to determine the starter at this point. 

 

always pick paper, nobody ever suspects paper 

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Or the Spanish Inquisition...

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Edit: I refuse to vote as all choices sicken me

 

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1.  Gabbert is worse and we still keep him around...  What's up with that?!  He's gone at the end of the year anyway, no point in doing it sooner (unless Stanzi gets a chance and shows something) 
Give Stanzi a chance then.  I can't handle Gabbert or Henne anymore.  Especially when you look at ANY other NFL team.  Again, it all goes back to my opinion that any QB would be easier on my eyes than Gabbert, including T-belch
 It doesn't matter who is worse, neither Gabbert or Tbelch are the an
swer.  I'm happy to try anyone who has a realistic chance of showing something. I hope we see Stanzi this Sunday.  

2.  I'm not sure that's the case.  There's actually a chance we might look a bit more competitive (PS I'm for bringing in any QB that can help us) Shane Falco is the only one who can save us now. 
Only if Gene Hackman can come along as his Offensive Coordinator!  
News alert!!!!
 
Shane's houseboat docked at the landing.  Hackman spotted in airport.


3.  I can see that...  But Caldwell's the one who painted himself into a corner.  Yet another minor mistake by Caldwell. The first definitive statement to come out of the GM position in years and you call it a mistake? I call it leadership.  I'm of the opinion that you should never say never, but I see your point.
  Lesson:  You never say never... Said never again to my ex-wife, that's worked out pretty well for me....


4.  You don't think 0-16 would be big distraction? No, but the traveling circus would be. 
The ring leader may be different, but trust me, the stench of 0-16 would stick with us for a while and it would not be a good thing.  
Detroit got over it.  A couple early wins next year will make it fade away.


5.  Not once he walks on water, Everyone knows saltwater is more buoyant than freshwater-let him do it in Chicago touches MJD and gets him back into football shape why do do want MJD shaped like a football?,
and cures Gabbert of lepercy.  I thought people didn't want to touch lepers....I see DE's grabbing Gabbert and tossing him around in every game. 
Can't argue any of this!   Conceded  
You're coming around,but it sure takes a lot of work.


6.  Conceded  Hey, I won 1.


7.  Conceded  2 in a row!


8.  With the way the team is looking, we're losing fans without him.  Who cares about the fair-weather fans?  Show me EFFORT and I'll be a fan regardless of record. 
You just defined 1 half of the requirments for a fair weather fan!  You gotta have effort and wins.  Like it or not, fair weather fans are a part of any successful franchise!
 100% effort + a little talent and coaching+the wins will come.  There will always be come-and-go fair weather fans.  


9.  Tblow is so delusional he won't even consider being a TE.  That point is moot.  So you want to bring in a delusional spoiled brat who won't play unless he can be the QB? 
No, remember this isn't what my first arguement was.  I don't want Tebow here either.  I was just pointing out how fall we've fallen at the QB position.  I've heard the rumors of the Tbow family, and if true, they're all kinda a bunch of tools.  But, I'm no longer confident enough in our offense to say that I'd never consider Tbow.  I honestly think he'd be better than what we've seen here for the past 2 years.  
see #1     PS  Glad to hear you don't want Tebow, I was afraid the cult had taken you over to the dark side.


10. Agreed.  All I'm saying is that there are options out there that at one point were scoffed at, even by myself, which cannot be scoffed at any longer.  I can, and will, continue to scoff at Tblow.  
As is your right, scoff away.
  See point #1.  You can very easily interchange Gabbert into that sentence and it would still make sense.  Eh, Gabbert is already in your first sentence
.  LOL, not my first sentance, your first sentance that I replied to originally.  :thumbsup:   
If one guy has a qb rating of 9 and the other 8, does it really matter which is which?  I"m willing to stipulate that both really bad and I want neither here.


 

 

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