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Quote:There is no irony. I was agreeing with her.
 

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Quote:I'm not sure either, I just remember them talking about using it to pass it if needed, so it stands to reason that you could use it to repeal it.
 

Were they talking about it this year?
Quote:"Repeal and replace" has always meant get rid of the whole thing. Guaranteeing health coverage for women, people under 26, pre-existing conditions, etc. would be eliminated with everything else.
 

 

It's never meant he couldn't keep implement any possible good parts about it into his program.

Quote:There is no irony. I was agreeing with her.


You agree that you're being a whiny baby?


That's a start.


Why are people acting like Donald's stance on this is a bad thing? It sounds like a positive change to me.


Can someone explain the age 26 thing to me? By 26 I would say you should be on your own and have your own insurance.
Repeal and replace with single payer...


He's a fan after all...
It's just dealing with reality.   It's easy to say, "I'm going to completely repeal Obamacare on day one!!!"   But then someone tells him, uh, if you repeal it on day one, you throw 20 million people out of their health insurance on day one. 

 

So, dealing with reality, "We're going to study it and make it a lot better."   That makes more sense.  

Quote:You agree that you're being a whiny baby?


That's a start.


Why are people acting like Donald's stance on this is a bad thing? It sounds like a positive change to me.


Can someone explain the age 26 thing to me? By 26 I would say you should be on your own and have your own insurance.
 

Yup.
Quote:You agree that you're being a whiny baby?


That's a start.


Why are people acting like Donald's stance on this is a bad thing? It sounds like a positive change to me.


Can someone explain the age 26 thing to me? By 26 I would say you should be on your own and have your own insurance.
How can you buy or keep their vote if you don't have anything to give them? Even the Tea Party rallys had "keep your hands off my Medicare" signs. Government benefits are harder to quit than heroin.
Quote:You agree that you're being a whiny baby?


That's a start.


Why are people acting like Donald's stance on this is a bad thing? It sounds like a positive change to me.


Can someone explain the age 26 thing to me? By 26 I would say you should be on your own and have your own insurance.
The problem with that is the fact that people who work in retail, fast food and such (which is where most teenagers start their working lives) don't get full time for the most part and either don't qualify for benefits or working 26 hours a week can't afford health insurance...

Quote:It's just dealing with reality.   It's easy to say, "I'm going to completely repeal Obamacare on day one!!!"   But then someone tells him, uh, if you repeal it on day one, you throw 20 million people out of their health insurance on day one. 

 

So, dealing with reality, "We're going to study it and make it a lot better."   That makes more sense.  
 

Repealing Obamacare wouldn't invalidate the existing insurance plans, and at the rate they are increasing in price they will soon be unaffordable anyway. Lots of people are already opting to pay the tax penalty rather than buy insurance.

A president elect receives Intel he never got before and things change. Live with it!
Quote:The problem with that is the fact that people who work in retail, fast food and such (which is where most teenagers start their working lives) don't get full time for the most part and either don't qualify for benefits or working 26 hours a week can't afford health insurance...


The problem isn't the age limit for parent's plans, the issue is the connection between employment and health insurance. Imagine if your ability to buy internet connectivity at your home was related to your employment, that's the root of America's healthcare finance problem. No one is doing the right thing to develop a robust and affordable individual market, and until we have one this isn't going to get better.
Quote:The problem isn't the age limit for parent's plans, the issue is the connection between employment and health insurance. Imagine if your ability to buy internet connectivity at your home was related to your employment, that's the root of America's healthcare finance problem. No one is doing the right thing to develop a robust and affordable individual market, and until we have one this isn't going to get better.
what the problem really is, is that health care provision has been left to employers with greedy execs who make sure they get their millions of dollars in salaries and bonuses at the expense of their employees benefits...Companies don't hire many full time workers, don't pay much over minimum wage, don't offer benefits unless you are a full time employee in order to keep the execs luxurious lifestyle...They have done the same thing with retirement plans...no more pensions, just this 401k crap which is dependent on the stock market...There has got to be better ways  
Quote:So much for reading comprehension. I suggest you practice it sometime.


From your article:


"I told him I will look at his suggestions, and out of respect, I will do that," the president-elect said at Trump Tower.

"Either Obamacare will be amended, or repealed and replaced."


From the campaign:

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Do'>http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Do</a>nald_Trump_Health_Care.htm


TRUMP: I agree with that 100%, except pre-existing conditions, I would absolutely get rid of ObamaCare. I want to keep pre- existing conditions. It's a modern age, and I think we have to have it.


Q: The insurance companies say is that the only way that they can cover people with pre-existing conditions is to have a mandate requiring everybody purchase health insurance. Are they wrong?


TRUMP: I think they're wrong 100%. Look, the insurance companies take care of the politicians [and vice-versa]. The insurance companies are making an absolute fortune. Yes, they will keep preexisting conditions, and that would be a great thing.


Sad to see the media still playing these games.
The louder they yell the less attention that paid to the campaign....
Quote:A president elect receives Intel he never got before and things change. Live with it!
 

Hmm ... another way of saying - "Don't believe a word of what he said on the campaign trail. That was just to get your votes". Now he's going to try and act like an adult.

 

LOL ... yeah, that "secret intel" on Obamacare. Perhaps he got the info from the Russians via Wikileaks.

 

Live with it! Be prepared to hear that a lot.
Quote:So much for reading comprehension. I suggest you practice it sometime.

 

From your article:

 

"I told him I will look at his suggestions, and out of respect, I will do that," the president-elect said at Trump Tower.

"Either Obamacare will be amended, or repealed and replaced."

 

From the campaign:

 

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm


TRUMP: I agree with that 100%, except pre-existing conditions, I would absolutely get rid of ObamaCare. I want to keep pre- existing conditions. It's a modern age, and I think we have to have it.


Q: The insurance companies say is that the only way that they can cover people with pre-existing conditions is to have a mandate requiring everybody purchase health insurance. Are they wrong?


TRUMP: I think they're wrong 100%. Look, the insurance companies take care of the politicians [and vice-versa]. The insurance companies are making an absolute fortune. Yes, they will keep preexisting conditions, and that would be a great thing.

 

Sad to see the media still playing these games.
 

That is absolutely silly.   If insurance companies cannot reject people for having pre-existing conditions, and there is no mandate that says you have to have health insurance, then  people will just wait until they get sick and then apply for health insurance.   The insurance companies will be bankrupted.   

The part about pre-existing conditions cannot work without the mandate.   There has to be a pool of healthy people paying insurance to subsidize the unhealthy people.  That's the way insurance works.  You can't wait until your house is on fire to apply for fire insurance.  Without the mandate, the insurance companies have to be able to reject pre-existing conditions.  

 

This is why it is ridiculous for them to think  they think they are going to keep the popular parts of Obamacare and throw out the unpopular parts.  They have to either keep the whole thing, or do like they said they were going to do and throw out the whole thing.  
Quote:Hmm ... another way of saying - "Don't believe a word of what he said on the campaign trail. That was just to get your votes". Now he's going to try and act like an adult.


LOL ... yeah, that "secret intel" on Obamacare. Perhaps he got the info from the Russians via Wikileaks.


Live with it! Be prepared to hear that a lot.
Acting like Trump is different than any other politician. He said a TON of things that he won't ever do. It's what every single person running for president has done.


Trump won't be any different.
Quote:How can you buy or keep their vote if you don't have anything to give them? Even the Tea Party rallys had "keep your hands off my Medicare" signs. Government benefits are harder to quit than heroin.
 

You're right about that.   I know die-hard conservatives who became staunch defenders of social security and medicare once they hit 65.  They're all about balancing the budget, but don't dare touch their entitlements.  
Quote:People are seriously whining about this?? Man...the salty bitterness is still flowing hard around here!!
The whining will continue indefinitely, it'll just be a different group of people doing it.

 

That said, this is a very promising sign that Trump won't be as totally unwilling to reach across the aisle as he'd claimed--but anyone who knew anything about this guy's history already knew that was the case.
Quote:That is absolutely silly.   If insurance companies cannot reject people for having pre-existing conditions, and there is no mandate that says you have to have health insurance, then  people will just wait until they get sick and then apply for health insurance.   The insurance companies will be bankrupted.   

The part about pre-existing conditions cannot work without the mandate.   There has to be a pool of healthy people paying insurance to subsidize the unhealthy people.  That's the way insurance works.  You can't wait until your house is on fire to apply for fire insurance.  Without the mandate, the insurance companies have to be able to reject pre-existing conditions.  

 

This is why it is ridiculous for them to think  they think they are going to keep the popular parts of Obamacare and throw out the unpopular parts.  They have to either keep the whole thing, or do like they said they were going to do and throw out the whole thing.  
 

Quote:That is absolutely silly.   If insurance companies cannot reject people for having pre-existing conditions, and there is no mandate that says you have to have health insurance, then  people will just wait until they get sick and then apply for health insurance.   The insurance companies will be bankrupted.   

The part about pre-existing conditions cannot work without the mandate.   There has to be a pool of healthy people paying insurance to subsidize the unhealthy people.  That's the way insurance works.  You can't wait until your house is on fire to apply for fire insurance.  Without the mandate, the insurance companies have to be able to reject pre-existing conditions.  

 

This is why it is ridiculous for them to think  they think they are going to keep the popular parts of Obamacare and throw out the unpopular parts.  They have to either keep the whole thing, or do like they said they were going to do and throw out the whole thing.  
when you get hired to a company and become eligible for benefits, you fill out the form which includes any pre existing conditions and they take you at the same rate as everyone else in the company...If insurance companies can reject anyone for pre existing conditions, then many people would be without health care which would end up costing much more as they would simply use the ER as a family doctor and not pay the hospital...It's imperative to make sure insurance companies are forced to treat pre existing conditions...

 

Imagine your wife had diabetes...  you just received a job offer you want so you take it only to find out that the new companies health care provider does not cover her pre existing condition so you are stuck paying for her doctors payments and medicine which is a HUGE expense...My insulin costs $1000 a month plus I take pills too,  the test strips for glucose testing, doctors. lab fees, and much more...
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