(09-28-2017, 09:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 08:36 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]From what I've been reading, a lot of players and teams will go back to standing. Now there will obviously be some that still kneel but I don't think the number will be as high as it once was last week.
So the people burning their season tickets.....
...can call the team, say they lost their tickets, and get a reprint.
Why? You can reprint them online.
(09-28-2017, 08:55 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 08:36 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]From what I've been reading, a lot of players and teams will go back to standing. Now there will obviously be some that still kneel but I don't think the number will be as high as it once was last week.
So the people burning their season tickets.....
The actions of this past weekend were a direct result of Trump's words. It was like the players way of flipping him off. In fact, I don't think what we saw this past week had much to do with racial injustice at all for most of the players involved, it was just a way to stick it to the president and tell him to mind his own business and get back to work.
It was rightfully deserved as well. This coming from a guy that voted for that idiot.
He likes poking his head in things that really don't matter to the president. there are many more important things he should be worried about, but instead he'd rather get on Twitter daily and embarrass himself.
(09-27-2017, 09:07 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2017, 06:47 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]What? Hopefully, I misinterpreted what you wrote...
It is the very essence and context with which the Nations Flag stands that makes it special, and it should be held in high regard. Do you know how many immigrated to this land and found peace and solace in just the mere sight of our flag flying high? The fact that it is on a military uniform and military aircraft displaying strength in the weakest of situations (humanitarian aid) is special. After a long week outside the wire in some hell hole, coming across the flag flying high at a FOB brings a feeling of relief and sanctity. I'm sorry, but when you look at the flag as being just some piece of cloth or just some vacant symbol, that's the dangerous part. National pride is important and used to be something to brag about. It was sacred and unified us, yet it's slipping away to national selfishness.
Do you not see how Trump is exploiting national pride to his purposes?
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, players kneeling wasn't a big deal until Trump chimed in with his $.02. He called any human being and citizen who exercised their First Amendment right while not breaking any rules or laws a son of a [BLEEP] who should lose their jobs. He went off script like a coward, in front of sycophants, then doubled down because it played so well to his base.
Do you not see how biased you sound? To pretend like this wasn't going on until Trump opened his mouth is naive. But you must be irate for something right? How weak these players must be to allow a singular individual determine their fate and actions. By the way, nice exaggeration of what Trump said. You must be exasperated! Love how all the new constitutionalists come out screaming "1st Amendment Rights!", But then that same right doesn't extend to anyone else that might tamper the narrative, nor did the NFL gives two squats about it in the past. It's only when convenient. You must be exasperated! Trump said and I quote,
"We're proud of our country, and we're proud of our flag. Players who disrespect the flag and kneel for the national anthem should be ejected from the stadium and cut from the team. Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say 'get that son of a [BLEEP] off the field right now' - he's fired!"
Life must be difficult feeling all vulnerable to words and stuff. Such coercion.
(09-28-2017, 08:36 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2017, 09:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, Bouye did say this and I hope the rest of the team follows. We are looking good and the last thing we need is a distraction like this. Just go out there and play football, if they want to protest do it on their own time.
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, who was among more than 10 Jaguars players who knelt during the National Anthem before the Baltimore game, said he does not plan to do so Sunday. “I’m not trying to be a distraction to the team,” Bouye said. “I said my peace. I’m not going to keep this going and going. At the end of the day, it’s all about wins. If we’re winning everything’s better – not only for the fans, but for the city of Jacksonville. …
From what I've been reading, a lot of players and teams will go back to standing. Now there will obviously be some that still kneel but I don't think the number will be as high as it once was last week.
So the people burning their season tickets.....
Players caving from the pressure already. Good.
(09-28-2017, 11:42 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 08:36 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]From what I've been reading, a lot of players and teams will go back to standing. Now there will obviously be some that still kneel but I don't think the number will be as high as it once was last week.
So the people burning their season tickets.....
Players caving from the pressure already. Good.
Hahaha
Spot on analysis. Per usual.
(09-28-2017, 11:44 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 11:42 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]Players caving from the pressure already. Good.
Hahaha
Spot on analysis. Per usual.
It's true. Dez Bryant already said he standing this week. He said "At then end of the day, I got kids to feed, I have a family to take care of"
Take that as you may. I feel that alot of players would feel that way.
(09-28-2017, 11:49 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 11:44 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]Hahaha
Spot on analysis. Per usual.
It's true. Dez Bryant already said he standing this week. He said "At then end of the day, I got kids to feed, I have a family to take care of"
Take that as you may. I feel that alot of players would feel that way.
lol
You realize that Dez Bryant quote is from August right? Before any of this stuff actually escalated?
(09-28-2017, 09:48 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2017, 09:07 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Do you not see how Trump is exploiting national pride to his purposes?
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, players kneeling wasn't a big deal until Trump chimed in with his $.02. He called any human being and citizen who exercised their First Amendment right while not breaking any rules or laws a son of a [BLEEP] who should lose their jobs. He went off script like a coward, in front of sycophants, then doubled down because it played so well to his base.
Do you not see how biased you sound? To pretend like this wasn't going on until Trump opened his mouth is naive. But you must be irate for something right? How weak these players must be to allow a singular individual determine their fate and actions. By the way, nice exaggeration of what Trump said. You must be exasperated! Love how all the new constitutionalists come out screaming "1st Amendment Rights!", But then that same right doesn't extend to anyone else that might tamper the narrative, nor did the NFL gives two squats about it in the past. It's only when convenient. You must be exasperated! Trump said and I quote,
"We're proud of our country, and we're proud of our flag. Players who disrespect the flag and kneel for the national anthem should be ejected from the stadium and cut from the team. Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say 'get that son of a [BLEEP] off the field right now' - he's fired!"
Life must be difficult feeling all vulnerable to words and stuff. Such coercion.
I'm biased? Your quote is exactly what Trump said, not sure why you think I said otherwise. He's a jerk, and he's preaching to his base. He couldn't give a rat's [BLEEP]. Sure, there were players already protesting, but your hero took it to another level, and he did it because he wants everyone to talk about something besides not repealing the ACA and sticking his neck out for a losing cause in Alabama.
(09-28-2017, 11:57 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 11:49 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]It's true. Dez Bryant already said he standing this week. He said "At then end of the day, I got kids to feed, I have a family to take care of"
Take that as you may. I feel that alot of players would feel that way.
lol
You realize that Dez Bryant quote is from August right? Before any of this stuff actually escalated?
No he doesn't. If Bklyn isn't replying to someone's post here he is sticking his foot in his mouth.
Dez Bryant was never into taking a knee. In fact, he got into an argument with an ESPN analyst over it. The protest last week was nothing more than the players and owners telling Donald Trump to mind his business. If only that idiot knew how to handle his day job.
(09-28-2017, 11:57 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 11:49 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]It's true. Dez Bryant already said he standing this week. He said "At then end of the day, I got kids to feed, I have a family to take care of"
Take that as you may. I feel that alot of players would feel that way.
lol
You realize that Dez Bryant quote is from August right? Before any of this stuff actually escalated?
True, but the statement stands. I'm sure he feels the same way from a month ago. I'm sure alot of players feel this way but don't admit it. They feel pressures to take a knee or lock arms. They don't want to face the backlash if they don't.
You think some of these white players that are kneeling or locking arms really want too. Trust me it's peer pressure.
(09-28-2017, 12:52 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 11:57 AM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]lol
You realize that Dez Bryant quote is from August right? Before any of this stuff actually escalated?
True, but the statement stands. I'm sure he feels the same way from a month ago. I'm sure alot of players feel this way but don't admit it. They feel pressures to take a knee or lock arms. They don't want to face the backlash if they don't.
You think some of these white players that are kneeling or locking arms really want too. Trust me it's peer pressure.
hahaha be honest. You had no clue that quote was from August. You're just reaching so hard you're throwing your back out. Dezs opinion most likely changed after he heard what Trump said.
Things changed when Trump opened his big mouth. The players too offense to it and they responded. The players are doing what they want to do when it comes to locking arms or kneeling. No one is forcing them to do anything. Just like no one forced some players to stand rather than kneel. If a white guy wants to stand, he can. Most players have already said they're ok with what any one wants to do. A lot of Steelers players talked to Villanuvea before they did anything.
You're trying to label these players as something they're not. They want better training for police officers. They want the DARE program to be back in schools. They want to police officers to have better resources and equipment. Doug Baldwin talked about this earlier in the week. So for people saying "these players have no clue what they even want." Guess what.... They do.
(09-27-2017, 08:40 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2017, 08:21 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's not in the rulebook. They have guidelines. Like many of the guidelines it's up to the league or from team to team whether to use them or not.
Just as a Q, how do you think the players should have responded to Trump?
They should have laughed at how stupid a statement it was, and then gone on with the business of football.
Or use their influence and platform to send a message back.
(09-28-2017, 07:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 12:02 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's not hard to separate the two.
Agree, you think they would do on their own time instead of at work
The whole purpose of it was to use their platform and influence in a positive way.
It's not like they're working an office job. So being "at work" is slightly different.
(09-26-2017, 07:14 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (09-26-2017, 06:44 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not trying to fight. I just don't believe you.
I am curious as to why you felt the need to come to a Jags fan message board to make your proclamation though. Please tell me why.
Maybe because for some fans this is much deeper than you could ever understand. Have you ever been part of an Honor Guard carrying a coffin from a plane to a hanger where the deceased family waited? Ever had a sibling killed in action? Uncle? A fellow soldier? How about simply have you ever worn the uniform? If you cannot answer yes to one of these questions then you simply do not understand.
To the OP, I get it, I understand the anguish however there are 2 more games before the Jags return home. It is my hope they can make this better for veterans, their families and loved ones. For me personally I completely understand this past weeks demonstration. The president overstepped his boundaries and called out group of individuals that have a platform and they used it.
I can say yes to every one of those questions. I also understand that legally using your rights, like peacefully protesting, is actually quite respectful of those who can answer yes to those questions.
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(09-28-2017, 01:02 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 12:52 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]True, but the statement stands. I'm sure he feels the same way from a month ago. I'm sure alot of players feel this way but don't admit it. They feel pressures to take a knee or lock arms. They don't want to face the backlash if they don't.
You think some of these white players that are kneeling or locking arms really want too. Trust me it's peer pressure.
hahaha be honest. You had no clue that quote was from August. You're just reaching so hard you're throwing your back out. Dezs opinion most likely changed after he heard what Trump said.
Things changed when Trump opened his big mouth. The players too offense to it and they responded. The players are doing what they want to do when it comes to locking arms or kneeling. No one is forcing them to do anything. Just like no one forced some players to stand rather than kneel. If a white guy wants to stand, he can. Most players have already said they're ok with what any one wants to do. A lot of Steelers players talked to Villanuvea before they did anything.
You're trying to label these players as something they're not. They want better training for police officers. They want the DARE program to be back in schools. They want to police officers to have better resources and equipment. Doug Baldwin talked about this earlier in the week. So for people saying "these players have no clue what they even want." Guess what.... They do.
You had me until you said he wanted the DARE program back in schools. If thats really a suggestion, it's been proven that was a failed drug program.
You can tell young kids until they are blue in the face that drugs are bad, but it's middle school/high school aged kids that are going to make their minds up about drugs.
Just like all these other suggestions, everything is great but it comes down to cash. Cash for body cams, cash for training, cash for supplies and equipment. Without funding none of those things will help.
(09-28-2017, 02:46 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 12:18 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]I'm biased? Your quote is exactly what Trump said, not sure why you think I said otherwise. He's a jerk, and he's preaching to his base. He couldn't give a rat's [BLEEP]. Sure, there were players already protesting, but your hero took it to another level, and he did it because he wants everyone to talk about something besides not repealing the ACA and sticking his neck out for a losing cause in Alabama.
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I'll accept your lack of serious rebuttal as surrender. Are you French?
(09-28-2017, 01:24 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2017, 08:40 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]They should have laughed at how stupid a statement it was, and then gone on with the business of football.
Or use their influence and platform to send a message back.
(09-28-2017, 07:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, you think they would do on their own time instead of at work
The whole purpose of it was to use their platform and influence in a positive way.
It's not like they're working an office job. So being "at work" is slightly different.
lol, people pay to watch them play football, not politics. There are a lot of different ways to get the point across they are trying to make. Kneeling for the flag before a football game isn't one. Kneeling for the flag will not change anything in a positive way, its just going to make things worse. You are naive as hell if you think kneeling for the flag before the game will change anyone or America for the better lol. Much better other ways to "influence in a positive way "
(09-28-2017, 05:06 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 01:24 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Or use their influence and platform to send a message back.
The whole purpose of it was to use their platform and influence in a positive way.
It's not like they're working an office job. So being "at work" is slightly different.
lol, people pay to watch them play football, not politics. There are a lot of different ways to get the point across they are trying to make. Kneeling for the flag before a football game isn't one. Kneeling for the flag will not change anything in a positive way, its just going to make things worse. You are naive as hell if you think kneeling for the flag before the game will change anyone or America for the better lol. Much better other ways to "influence in a positive way "
Right but that's only part of what they do as an athlete at that level. They're also role models in their community and do lots of charity work. There's more to most of them than just football.
As I've said. That's what their intention was. Especially after the president called on their peers to be fired for freely protesting and called them sons of [BLEEP]. That tends to galvanise a group of people, for better or worse.
(09-28-2017, 05:22 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 05:06 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]lol, people pay to watch them play football, not politics. There are a lot of different ways to get the point across they are trying to make. Kneeling for the flag before a football game isn't one. Kneeling for the flag will not change anything in a positive way, its just going to make things worse. You are naive as hell if you think kneeling for the flag before the game will change anyone or America for the better lol. Much better other ways to "influence in a positive way "
Right but that's only part of what they do as an athlete at that level. They're also role models in their community and do lots of charity work. There's more to most of them than just football.
This whole "athletes as role models" thing is kind of ridiculous. Jimmy Smith is my favorite football player of all time, period. I got to meet and talk with him a couple times when he visited the restaurant I worked at in high school, and he was a really, unbelievably nice guy. Took the time to talk and sign an autograph for me, which hangs framed on my wall to this day. I have nothing but nice things to say about him from the very, very limited interactions I had with him, and he was a true gentleman and a great brand ambassador for the NFL and the Jaguars.
No way in hell would I have emulated his private behavior. Not to knock the guy. Like I said, he was an incredibly nice guy the couple of times I got to talk to him, but not even close to being a role model.
(09-28-2017, 05:28 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 05:22 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Right but that's only part of what they do as an athlete at that level. They're also role models in their community and do lots of charity work. There's more to most of them than just football.
This whole "athletes as role models" thing is kind of ridiculous. Jimmy Smith is my favorite football player of all time, period. I got to meet and talk with him a couple times when he visited the restaurant I worked at in high school, and he was a really, unbelievably nice guy. Took the time to talk and sign an autograph for me, which hangs framed on my wall to this day. I have nothing but nice things to say about him from the very, very limited interactions I had with him, and he was a true gentleman and a great brand ambassador for the NFL and the Jaguars.
No way in hell would I have emulated his private behavior. Not to knock the guy. Like I said, he was an incredibly nice guy the couple of times I got to talk to him, but not even close to being a role model.
Not really, most of these guys are heroes in their hometowns and local communities. People look up to them.
Each to their own on Jimmy. I think Jimmy Smith can teach people alot more life lessons than someone like JJ Watt ever could. A great example of getting your life back on track after going off the rails a few times. In my eyes Jimmy would be a role model.
(09-28-2017, 05:35 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2017, 05:28 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]This whole "athletes as role models" thing is kind of ridiculous. Jimmy Smith is my favorite football player of all time, period. I got to meet and talk with him a couple times when he visited the restaurant I worked at in high school, and he was a really, unbelievably nice guy. Took the time to talk and sign an autograph for me, which hangs framed on my wall to this day. I have nothing but nice things to say about him from the very, very limited interactions I had with him, and he was a true gentleman and a great brand ambassador for the NFL and the Jaguars.
No way in hell would I have emulated his private behavior. Not to knock the guy. Like I said, he was an incredibly nice guy the couple of times I got to talk to him, but not even close to being a role model.
Not really, most of these guys are heroes in their hometowns and local communities. People look up to them.
Each to their own on Jimmy. I think Jimmy Smith can teach people alot more life lessons than someone like JJ Watt ever could. A great example of getting your life back on track after going off the rails a few times. In my eyes Jimmy would be a role model.
Very fair point. I was referring to the Jimmy of the early 2000's who was clearly off the rails. The Jimmy of today would be a great role model.