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(11-25-2017, 12:57 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2017, 12:36 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure what I’m talking about? I just explained it to you. That better defense adjusted to squeeze Mariota just like I explained. The succes he had was early. Mariota is not suffering from lack of development because of coaching. He is limited in ability which coaches scheme for. He is no better than Bortles in that regard. Teams know if the run game is limited, they can man up on mediocre receivers, keep Mariota in the pocket and squeeze the field. Mariota’s weaknesses have been known since he came into the league. With no ability to scramble and no run game...no offense.
Actually most of Mariota's best work comes from inside the pocket. He's a pocket passer who can scramble more so than the other way around. Very athletic on the move but his game isn't anywhere near dependent on being outside the pocket.
While he is having a bad year independent of outside factors you can't just ignore the coaching and scheme he's in. Its an offense with talent but bad design all round. They can't scheme his receivers open. The run game is failing this year. Mularkey is showing why he's , well, Mike Mularkey.
He obviously does not know what his talking about as explained. Mariota with a gimpy leg stood tall in the pockett and racked the Colts last game, granted it was the Clots, but he has shown enough potenial that if you cater to his strength he could def be a franchise QB, he cab make all the passes as a QB. Its hard to fine aby rhythym in an offense built by two old stubborn coaches. You got OC Terry robiskie that hasn’t been an offensive coordinator since his 00 Redskins days, and you got the lead guy in mulsucky that has shown his offense only works for a year max. Go ask the the 2011 Falcons and look at what they were saying about Mulsucky
I'll throw my 2cents out here. I like Mariota. I think he has the potential to be the best QB in the division. I think people will pick up on Watson after thy have an off season of film to study. Mariota doesn't thrive off the deep ball. He has the mobility to move in the pocket under pressure and deliver an accurate strike on the move. In this division, it's beginning to look like that's how you have to operate now with Jags, Titans and Texans D all having good rushers. I don't think Mariota will ever be "elite" and that's okay. You can be a great QB and still win plenty of games and possibly have a shot st the Super Bowl.
He's been about the same Quarterback since he's started in the NFL. His completion percentage is just north of 60% which isn't great but it's not too terrible considering the offensive scheme they run. Going into this year though he was one of the better red zone passers in the NFL. He was very protective of the football and didn't do anything to cost your team points.
This year he's starting to slide a bit backwards though. Not sure exactly what it is with him. He's only had three games this year without an interception being thrown and that last game against the Steelers was pretty brutal. I think that's the worst game I've ever seen out of him.
(11-25-2017, 01:25 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2017, 12:57 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Actually most of Mariota's best work comes from inside the pocket. He's a pocket passer who can scramble more so than the other way around. Very athletic on the move but his game isn't anywhere near dependent on being outside the pocket.
While he is having a bad year independent of outside factors you can't just ignore the coaching and scheme he's in. Its an offense with talent but bad design all round. They can't scheme his receivers open. The run game is failing this year. Mularkey is showing why he's , well, Mike Mularkey.
He obviously does not know what his talking about as explained. Mariota with a gimpy leg stood tall in the pockett and racked the Colts last game, granted it was the Clots, but he has shown enough potenial that if you cater to his strength he could def be a franchise QB, he cab make all the passes as a QB. Its hard to fine aby rhythym in an offense built by two old stubborn coaches. You got OC Terry robiskie that hasn’t been an offensive coordinator since his 00 Redskins days, and you got the lead guy in mulsucky that has shown his offense only works for a year max. Go ask the the 2011 Falcons and look at what they were saying about Mulsucky
If you are thinking he’s a pocket QB, there lies the problem. He is anything but. Been the knock on him for years and excels in option schemes. Be lucky you played weak teams during his leg issue. Bottom line, he is what he is.
Mariota does his best work hitting the short and intermediate routes from the pocket. That's his bread and butter. That's his game.
He also happens to be extremely athletic and can make plays with his legs if he has to. In college he ran it a fair bit and he showed he can break big runs in the NFL (did it against us) if he gets free. That's not what he looks to do though. He is first and foremost a pocket passer in the NFL. If you looked at an oppositions teams scouting report to stop Mariota it would center around getting him off rhythm in the pocket and put his timing off.
He's more like Blake as a runner in the NFL. He only really runs once the play breaks down.
In fact Blake actually runs more than Mariota.
(11-26-2017, 02:09 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2017, 07:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Mariota does his best work hitting the short and intermediate routes from the pocket. That's his bread and butter. That's his game.
He also happens to be extremely athletic and can make plays with his legs if he has to. In college he ran it a fair bit and he showed he can break big runs in the NFL (did it against us) if he gets free. That's not what he looks to do though. He is first and foremost a pocket passer in the NFL. If you looked at an oppositions teams scouting report to stop Mariota it would center around getting him off rhythm in the pocket and put his timing off.
He's more like Blake as a runner in the NFL. He only really runs once the play breaks down.
In fact Blake actually runs more than Mariota.
I beg to differ. He is a spread offense QB or the catchy NFL term is dual threat. Most scouting reports would state to beat him you would spy, keeping him limited to the pocket or keeping him “ in front of you”. He was a system QB in college and he is shaping up to be the same in the NFL. He has shown pocket ability but certainly not where he is comfortable.
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport...ariota.php
https://www.thescore.com/news/1039216
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/06/nfl-tita...ric-decker
yep, dont let him use his feet and keep him in the pocket he is not very good
(11-26-2017, 02:09 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2017, 07:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Mariota does his best work hitting the short and intermediate routes from the pocket. That's his bread and butter. That's his game.
He also happens to be extremely athletic and can make plays with his legs if he has to. In college he ran it a fair bit and he showed he can break big runs in the NFL (did it against us) if he gets free. That's not what he looks to do though. He is first and foremost a pocket passer in the NFL. If you looked at an oppositions teams scouting report to stop Mariota it would center around getting him off rhythm in the pocket and put his timing off.
He's more like Blake as a runner in the NFL. He only really runs once the play breaks down.
In fact Blake actually runs more than Mariota.
I beg to differ. He is a spread offense QB or the catchy NFL term is dual threat. Most scouting reports would state to beat him you would spy, keeping him limited to the pocket or keeping him “ in front of you”. He was a system QB in college and he is shaping up to be the same in the NFL. He has shown pocket ability but certainly not where he is comfortable.
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport...ariota.php
https://www.thescore.com/news/1039216
[/url][url=https://12thmanrising.com/2017/09/20/seahawks-contain-marcus-mariota/]https://12thmanrising.com/2017/09/20/seahawks-contain-marcus-mariota/
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/06/nfl-tita...ric-decker
Few things wrong here. First off most of the NFL is "spread" now. Most of the teams you see use spread.
Yes Mariota can make plays with his legs. As I said in college he did it alot and he is an elite athlete. He definitely is a dual threat QB. You're ignoring the important part of this which is the fact that the best part of his game in the NFL is his pocket passing ability. He doesn't pick apart teams with his legs or by running around. He does it by staying in the pocket and cutting teams up in the short and intermediate. Watching a few games of his will show you this.
To summarize. Mariota was a very good pocket passer in college who made alot of plays with his legs too. A true elite dual threat QB. Destroyed teams in that fast paced Oregon offense.
In the NFL Mariota still has the ability to make plays with his legs when he has to but pocket passing has been his bread and butter. He's been much more comfortable playing in there than he has been running around throwing outside the pocket ala Rodgers. You still have to account for him breaking lose every now and again. Any titans fan will tell you the exact same.
He's been one of the best red zone QBs in the entire league. Little hint, that's not because he's running around the place. It's because he's very good operating in the pocket. And yes he hasn't played well this year at all.
(11-26-2017, 02:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]...and he's just thrown a pick to the colts.
Looks like its going to turn into points .
Seen enough of Mariota at this point. Clearly a below average NFL starting QB.
Mariota is playing god awful this year. Jaysus
Good grief. 2 more today?
(11-26-2017, 03:13 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]That’s two thus far.
At this rate, the tack trolls won't return. J.F. gets credit, he can dish it out but at least he doesn't run and hide like the rest.
Man, gotta love future HOFer Mariota!
Is J.F. a tack fan really? Could easily just be a parody alt of one of the regular Jag fan regulars on here.
6 INTs in the last 6 quarters for Mariota now.
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