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Quote:So our defense is good, Wash is a good coach, and Fowler is a bust.....I love this board.
It amazes me that they think a player coming off an ACL tear in what is pretty much his first year with one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, is a bust if he doesn't get a sack every game and a world beater right out of the gate.
There are players that aren't up aginst half of that in there first year that struggle worse then Fowler has.
Quote:34 OLB's rush the passer, yes. That is the point.
That's not what I was responding to. You said because he isn't a DE, that makes him a bust already. That is what I was responding to. Clearly, that point of yours is pretty much [BLEEP].
What's amazing is you guys trying to make excuses for garbage players.
Quote:That's not what I was responding to. You said because he isn't a DE, that makes him a bust already. That is what I was responding to. Clearly, that point of yours is pretty much [BAD WORD REMOVED].
No. I include OLB's as DE's because that it is essentially what they are in a 3-4. My point remains. If you are drafting a defensive end or OLB early on it's to rush the passer above everything else. If he can't do that effectively he is a bust.
Quote:Our defense has not been the problem this year. Our guys are constantly gassed because the offense can't sustain any momentum. I don't have any problems with most of Wash's play calling except that prevent D on 3rd downs.
Our defense ranks 27th how is that not bad and has totally given up on this coaching staff.
Quote:No. I include OLB's as DE's because that it is essentially what they are in a 3-4. My point remains. If you are drafting a defensive end or OLB early on it's to rush the passer above everything else. If he can't do that effectively he is a bust.
If that were the case then DE that can't stop the run but can rush the passer wouldn't be taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Quote:Our defense ranks 27th how is that not bad and has totally given up on this coaching staff.
I'm not saying that isn't bad. I'm just defending Wash to an extent here. He was a great coach in Seattle and I don't think his play calling has been bad at all. Wash himself isn't a real problem here to me. I blame the position coaches and the lack of preparation.
Quote:What's amazing is you guys trying to make excuses for garbage players.
What did you expect out of him 10+ sacks? How many first year players coming off missing a year do that.
Quote:If that were the case then DE that can't stop the run but can rush the passer wouldn't be taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
How does that logic make any sense? That is flat out wrong. Hitting the QB is always the primary goal for the defensive line. Teams are ALWAYS looking for a guy to get to the QB in a hurry and get him off his spot. Those guys get drafted early. You think we spent 100 million on Malik to stop the run first and foremost?
Quote:I'm not saying that isn't bad. I'm just defending Wash to an extent here. He was a great coach in Seattle and I don't think his play calling has been bad at all. Wash himself isn't a real problem here to me. I blame the position coaches and the lack of preparation.
Thats fair to an extant. I'm not saying there aren't concerns about Fowler but acting like he's just a lost cause is dumb.
I just feel if Fowler was bwing used like Mack then he could be really good.
Quote:Only Gator homers liked the Fowler pick
wrong I'm a Gator fan and hated the pick from day one.
Quote:How does that logic make any sense? That is flat out wrong. Hitting the QB is always the primary goal for the defensive line. Teams are ALWAYS looking for a guy to get to the QB in a hurry and get him off his spot. Those guys get drafted early. You think we spent 100 million on Malik to stop the run first and foremost?
And those guys don't come in the first year of their career after missing a whole sEason of football from an ACL tear.
Mack could of been drafted by the Jags and he would be a bust. Lol, its clear people dont fet it. It doesnt matter who you have with this staff
Quote:And those guys don't come in the first year of their career after missing a whole sEason of football from an ACL tear.
I'm not discounting the ACL tear. What I'm saying is a guy at 3 shouldn't give up on the play after his initial stunt doesn't work. Or jump over the center and cost his team a penalty. Lining up in the neutral zone or fighting after plays. Those stupid things are on him. NOT his leg.
Quote:Our defense ranks 27th how is that not bad and has totally given up on this coaching staff.
Our defense was #4 in the league in yards per play coming into this week. They rank that low in scoring defense or overall yards, whichever stat you used, because Blake keeps him on the field way too long and/or puts them in bad field position frequently with turnovers.
Quote:Our defense was #4 in the league in yards per play coming into this week. They rank that low in scoring defense or overall yards, whichever stat you used, because Blake keeps him on the field way too long and/or puts them in bad field position frequently with turnovers.
So if the other team always has good field position that would mean less yards to get a TD? Wouldn't that mean our 4 rank in yards in an over inflated stat?
We're 27th in scoring last time I check that's what decided wins and losses.
He's a strong side LB who can masquerade as a DE and provide good run support and a bit of pass rush. Bit too early to write him off, he can still be a valuable player in the right defence if he gets his head right.
Did not like the Fowler pick, but you guys are being ridiculous. 7 games coming off an acl injury! Get real
Quote:I'm not discounting the ACL tear. What I'm saying is a guy at 3 shouldn't give up on the play after his initial stunt doesn't work. Or jump over the center and cost his team a penalty. Lining up in the neutral zone or fighting after plays. Those stupid things are on him. NOT his leg.
So the whole team is a bust since they all gave up on plays last week.
I watched Telvin rap a guy up and let go of him guess he sucks now and is a bust, Telvin also caused stupid penalties.
Everything you listed is stuff rookies do just look at Ramsey.
Quote:So the whole team is a bust since they all gave up on plays last week.
I watched Telvin rap a guy up and let go of him guess he sucks now and is a bust, Telvin also caused stupid penalties.
Everything you listed is stuff rookies do just look at Ramsey.
Telvin is a leading tackler on this team. He makes more plays than he doesn't. Same with Ramsey. No one can ever say they give up on plays.
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