Quote:Or don't look at the stat page, and watch how Beasley caused a lot of disruption that didn't quite get home. Now they are getting home. That's what you want to see.
Fowler is doing absolutely nothing when he isn't stunting. Except getting a lot of exceedingly stupid penalties.
Vic didnt get much pressure at all last year and got abused in the run game. When he didnt get pressure which was a lot of games, he was a non factor and teams took advantage of his weak run defense
Quote:Vic didnt get much pressure at all last year and got abused in the run game. When he didnt get pressure which was a lot of games, he was a non factor and teams took advantage of his weak run defense
Yep. Just Google "Vic Beasley bust" and numerous articles will pop up. Some as recent as September.
Quote:Vic didnt get much pressure at all last year and got abused in the run game. When he didnt get pressure which was a lot of games, he was a non factor and teams took advantage of his weak run defense
He led all rookies in pressures, was 25th in the whole league in hurries, and had a PFF 9th best DE pass rush grade as a rookie. So yeah...
And this year he has been positive against the run, not that that even matters. You draft a DE in the top 10 to get to the QB, and it was painfully obvious he was going to be the best one in the draft at doing that. And he is.
Quote:Yep. Just Google "Vic Beasley bust" and numerous articles will pop up. Some as recent as September.
Those articles would be what we call, incorrect. Even at the time they were written.
Quote:Those articles would be what we call, incorrect. Even at the time they were written.
That appears to be the case now. But last year the bust word was sure being bandied about from numerous publications. Goes to show how much difference 1 year can make.
Keep that in mind when placing labels on a player who's just played his 7th game for a coaching staff that is probably the worst in the league.
Quote:That appears to be the case now. But last year the bust word was sure being bandied about from numerous publications. Goes to show how much difference 1 year can make.
Keep that in mind when placing labels on a player who's just played his 7th game for a coaching staff that is probably the worst in the league.
That's why I said it's fair if you want to wait until whatever you deem a large enough sample to call Fowler a bust, and if Fowler does legitimately turn it on I said I will cop to it. I am a Gator and Jags fan after all I want him to succeed as much as anyone. I'm just not going to distort reality to try to make the case.
I guess Mack was a bust after his rookie year too
Quote:It amazes me that they think a player coming off an ACL tear in what is pretty much his first year with one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, is a bust if he doesn't get a sack every game and a world beater right out of the gate.
There are players that aren't up aginst half of that in there first year that struggle worse then Fowler has.
Funny thing is Fowler has played pretty well outside of the dumb penalties, which a lot of players on this team has done a lot, the last two games the whole team got embarrassed, but look at the first 5 games, Fowler rates good
Quote:I guess Mack was a bust after his rookie year too
mack was actually good his rookie year despite not having sacks
Quote:Why wouldnt we play Fowler at strong side LB in base and either rush him or drop him in coverage? And then move him to LEO in nickel and even kick him inside on obvious passing downs? Isn't that how he excelled at UF?
Yes, its mind boggling why we dont use him like that, Fowler was great at rushing the passer from standing up position, but Gus likes to force players into his scheme
Quote:mack was actually good his rookie year despite not having sacks
its sad that the coaching staff dont use Fowler the way Oak did his rookie year. He played LB and DE and was moved around the way Fowler should be
I haven't thrown in the towel for Fowler yet, but...
Beasley?!?!?!
Lol... not before Leonard Williams or Amari Cooper, if we're talking "coulda had"... just... lol
Fowler is getting knocked on his keister every other play on purpose. It's called the rope-a-dope. Next year when he faces the same LTs, they are gonna take it easy thinking they have a cake matchup and Fowler is gonna wreck this league.
Quote:I haven't thrown in the towel for Fowler yet, but...
Beasley?!?!?!
Lol... not before Leonard Williams or Amari Cooper, if we're talking "coulda had"... just... lol
You don't like guys that are 2nd in sacks and also top 10 in total pressures?
Coopers and Williams would be much better than Fowler, but Beasley is doing great at our biggest non QB/coaching weakness.
Quote:Yes, its mind boggling why we dont use him like that, Fowler was great at rushing the passer from standing up position, but Gus likes to force players into his scheme
I think you are confusing "great at rushing the passer from a standing up position" with "great at rushing the passer when they schemed him into being unblocked"
Quote:Its not fair to call him a bust after 7 games.
Especially, since DFJ is coming off a torn ACL and the team's coaching has come into question. Not to mention, he's only 22 years old.
Quote:2 sacks in his first seven games - and he's a bust?
Vic Beasley of the Falcons was drafted in 2015 too. He had low numbers his rookie year. Look at him now. It takes time. And as others have said, Fowler might excel as a LB.
One thing that I believe that's helped Vic Beasley greatly is having Dwight Freeney as a mentor this season. That's like having a coach on the field with HOF credentials.
Quote: One thing that I believe that's helped Vic Beasley greatly is having Dwight Freeney as a mentor this season. That's like having a coach on the field with HOF credentials.
There could be some intrinsic value in having Freeney around, but it's also pretty unfair to Vic.
He was an excellence college pass rusher, he had the best athletic score in the draft, and he led all rookies in pressures while being I think I said 25th among all players. It's not his fault that some dumb people couldn't look deeper than the box score when it came to sack totals.
Everything about his profile screamed success from the get go, and I think it would have happened with or without Freeney's tutelage.
Quote:There could be some intrinsic value in having Freeney around, but it's also pretty unfair to Vic.
He was an excellence college pass rusher, he had the best athletic score in the draft, and he led all rookies in pressures while being I think I said 25th among all players. It's not his fault that some dumb people couldn't look deeper than the box score when it came to sack totals.
Everything about his profile screamed success from the get go, and I think it would have happened with or without Freeney's tutelage.
Even with the positives from Vic Beasley's rookie season, having someone like Dwight Freeney around is invaluable when it comes to learning tips that make a very good athlete into an eventual great player. Many players that went on to being amongst the best at their respective position had the benefit of learning from a veteran in a manner that compliments the coaching he received from actual coaches.