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Khan gonna shoot rockets outta Gus's rear?

Quote:You don't fire the coach after two games. I mean, Lane Kiffin got four.

 

Hopefully Friday morning brings the end of the Bradley error.

 

Gus had 38 games at that point.


 

And Lane Kiffin, as bad as he was/is, might be better than Gus.

I don't know much blame I put on Gus. I'm leaning more towards positional coaches and whoever is not developing players at positions. I don't see Gus as someone who is not trying. He stays motivated, despite the crap that is left out there each week. The scheme is still garbage. And the OC is enept. Not sure if Dave is keeping personnel at various coaching jobs, but whoever is making the call to keep some of these guys employed, that is where the blame lies. I'd be happy with a new OC and new DC/scheme. While we're at it, new DB coach, new O Line coach, and new RB coach. And new QB coach. If we could make that happen, got no problem with Gus staying.

@cbssportsradio Bart Scott to @DAonCBS on if #Jaguars don't turn it around this year: "I'd get rid of Blake Bortles."

Ivory just hasn't been the same since his [RICHARDNIXON] fell off. I hope they discussed that.

Quote:@cbssportsradio Bart Scott to @DAonCBS on if #Jaguars don't turn it around this year: "I'd get rid of Blake Bortles."

I agree with Bart

Mike Kaye also reporting it: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/sports/nfl.../342359542

 

<p style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Khan was not scheduled to be part of the meeting, which involved him addressing the players and opening the floor for criticism.

<p style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">His son Tony Khan and general manager Dave Caldwell also joined the discussion, multiple sources tell First Coast News.

<p style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Khan specifically asked the group what they thought was wrong with the team.

<p style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">The meeting was used as an open forum for coaches and players to air out their concerns about the team's rough start. Khan even addressed individual players, according to the sources.

Quote:Khan is clueless. If he was truly was serious about fixing things, he would've talked to the players separately from the coaches. Rarely will people call out their coach in a crowded room, in which the coach is in attendance. Ideally, he should be holding private one on one meetings with the players. I bet a lot more things would have gotten "aired out" if it was handled this way. Personally, I believe Gus is safe until the end of the season. Something tells me we eak out a win over Tennessee in a low scoring game and it will buy Gus enough time until the end of the season. I know this is not what everyone wants to hear, but it's what I believe will happen. 

I think so too for the highlighted part. But I disagree about Khan being clueless.

 

What he is doing, although painful, is honestly in the long run for the best. When we start looking at coaching candidates this off season, we are going to be a prime location with our talent and patient owner. Good coaches want to know that they will be given time to fix stuff. And Khan doesn't operate like other owners (i.e. the Browns) firing people left and right over a fluke bad year.

I think we will get a real big time candidate this time around. And while that does nothing for this year, it does make me excited for next (I know, the Jaguar curse, always next year).

 

I personally hope Gus can turn it around, cause I like him. But this whole season is proving, especially with all the penalties and Blake's regression, that he really doesn't have what it takes (if there was any doubt from last season). But since Khan was patient with a historically bad coach, if you are a good coach, and a high-profile candidate, Jax will be first on your list.

Quote:Caldwell should in no way be put on a pedestal, but he also shouldn't be viewed as the problem. Khan has said this is a process and as an owner seems to have wanted to show the whole NFL he wants to be respected as an organization that won't make rash decisions. We don't want to be the Browns and fire a coach 1-1 1/2 years into his tenure when there is a lack of talent and that's just too short of time.

There's plenty of these teams picking high that aren't getting the talent level we are. So that has to be taken into account too.

 

This is exactly what I was saying as our losses piled up with a guy named Gus Bradley holding the job title head coach. No coaching staff can succeed with the players Gene Smith gave us. Now that we have the talent to win a lot of games I can agree with everyone who says it is Bradley's fault. Which means I will never understand why people want to blame Dave Caldwell, the guy who fixed our roster in just three years. A three-year rebuild was always the plan since 2013.

Quote:I think so too for the highlighted part. But I disagree about Khan being clueless.

 

What he is doing, although painful, is honestly in the long run for the best. When we start looking at coaching candidates this off season, we are going to be a prime location with our talent and patient owner. Good coaches want to know that they will be given time to fix stuff. And Khan doesn't operate like other owners (i.e. the Browns) firing people left and right over a fluke bad year.

I think we will get a real big time candidate this time around. And while that does nothing for this year, it does make me excited for next (I know, the Jaguar curse, always next year).

 

I personally hope Gus can turn it around, cause I like him. But this whole season is proving, especially with all the penalties and Blake's regression, that he really doesn't have what it takes (if there was any doubt from last season). But since Khan was patient with a historically bad coach, if you are a good coach, and a high-profile candidate, Jax will be first on your list.

 

 

I think any potential coaches already know this team will give them time to develop the team, because we've already given Gus waaaaaaaay more time than any other team would allow, given his record. To me, the longer we keep this guy, we just come off as appearing like a weak organization, almost like winning is secondary to having "good people".

Quote:I understand the 2013 roster was horrible. But anyone can observe Gus's leadership/management abilities. All one can ask of a coach is that they get the most out of their roster and put the players they have in the best position to succeed.  He has utterly failed at that and I believe it was evident as early as his first season.

 

Gus Bradley was a rookie head coach. He was still learning how to be a head coach after only working with defenses his entire career. Most rookie head coaches have losing seasons even if they have more talent than we did.

Quote:I think the idea was that everyone knew Mularkey was a terrible HC as he had already shown that.

 

Bring in a new HC and give him time as the team grows, essentially giving the coach a pass for the first few years until the roster gets a point where it should be competitive. That time has come and gone for Gus. But to bring in a new coach, gut the roster, and then fire him after 1 year makes no sense.

Hiring a new and unproven head coach is always going to be a gamble; you just don't know what you've really got until the hammer drops. They may prove to be great or they may be a bust; you just don't know. The best any GM can do is to evaluate as you would for hiring for any job; evaluate their experience and make your best educated guess.

 

At this point, it's appears Dave guessed wrong about Gus. He may very well have been the best option available at the time, but he has proven to be pretty much a bust as a HC here. The seasons not over, and it is still theoretically possible for things to get turned around dramatically, but the probability of it at this point is in serious doubt.

Quote:I think the idea was that everyone knew Mularkey was a terrible HC as he had already shown that.

 

Bring in a new HC and give him time as the team grows, essentially giving the coach a pass for the first few years until the roster gets a point where it should be competitive. That time has come and gone for Gus. But to bring in a new coach, gut the roster, and then fire him after 1 year makes no sense.

 

The idea was let the new GM pick his own HC. That is a common procedure in the NFL. Gene Smith, not Shad Khan, hired Mike Mularkey. So when Smith went, it only made sense to punt Mularkey too.

Quote:I think any potential coaches already know this team will give them time to develop the team, because we've already given Gus waaaaaaaay more time than any other team would allow, given his record. To me, the longer we keep this guy, we just come off as appearing like a weak organization, almost like winning is secondary to having "good people".

Depending on how Bortles finishes and what coaches think about him league wide, that could be another turn off for potential candidates. If DC makes Bortles a must start for next season without competition.

Quote:I don't know much blame I put on Gus. I'm leaning more towards positional coaches and whoever is not developing players at positions. I don't see Gus as someone who is not trying. He stays motivated, despite the crap that is left out there each week. The scheme is still garbage. And the OC is enept. Not sure if Dave is keeping personnel at various coaching jobs, but whoever is making the call to keep some of these guys employed, that is where the blame lies. I'd be happy with a new OC and new DC/scheme. While we're at it, new DB coach, new O Line coach, and new RB coach. And new QB coach. If we could make that happen, got no problem with Gus staying.

Generally, the head coach is the one who selects his coordinators/assistant coaches. So once again, the blame does fall squarely on Gus Bradley.

Quote:Gus Bradley was a rookie head coach. He was still learning how to be a head coach after only working with defenses his entire career. Most rookie head coaches have losing seasons even if they have more talent than we did.

 

Understood...however, he still made and still makes mistakes that no NFL HC should make in regards to lack of season prep, lack of game prep and bad in-game management.  He is sitting in 1 of 32 premiere positions worldwide.  You only allow a "learning curve" if you know the guy can and will develop into a winning NFL HC.

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In my head, this is how Khan talked to the team and the coaches regarding their poor play so far this season.

 

 

lol If you were right then I don't think Gus would have been the HC this season.

Quote:I agree, he fooled Khan and DC with his personality. At the time though, he was a well known candidate. Not sure if there were signs in Seattle that DC ignored during the hiring process. Let's hope he gets it right this offseason.

 

It was like Josh McDaniels being a hot HC candidate, then showing everybody in Denver he is not fit for the job. Look at what New England's offense did with and without him. Gus Bradley is the defensive equivalent.

 

Also remember Dave Caldwell never had the responsibility of hiring a HC before. It was an honest mistake by a rookie GM.

Quote:It was like Josh McDaniels being a hot HC candidate, then showing everybody in Denver he is not fit for the job. Look at what New England's offense did with and without him. Gus Bradley is the defensive equivalent.

 

Also remember Dave Caldwell never had the responsibility of hiring a HC before. It was an honest mistake by a rookie GM.

 

He was also fired after only 2 seasons, actually less, so there's that too.

 

Heck his .393 winning % demolishes Bradley's .259.

Quote:He was also fired after only 2 seasons, actually less, so there's that too.


Heck his .393 winning % demolishes Bradley's .259.

Hahaha this is the part that's hilarious. Only in Jacksonville is losing like this tolerated. "Give him a pass in the beginning guys!"


That's BS to me. He lost me after last year when we couldn't muster up more than 5 wins against some of the worst competition this team will ever face. People tried to give him another pass blaming it on the defense.