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Quote:I don't know much blame I put on Gus. I'm leaning more towards positional coaches and whoever is not developing players at positions. I don't see Gus as someone who is not trying. He stays motivated, despite the crap that is left out there each week. The scheme is still garbage. And the OC is enept. Not sure if Dave is keeping personnel at various coaching jobs, but whoever is making the call to keep some of these guys employed, that is where the blame lies. I'd be happy with a new OC and new DC/scheme. While we're at it, new DB coach, new O Line coach, and new RB coach. And new QB coach. If we could make that happen, got no problem with Gus staying.

 

It starts with the HC because when he gets hired, his first task is hiring assistants. Fortunately, Gus Bradley knew Jedd Fisch was not the right guy for our offense, then later figured out Bob Babich is not the right guy for our defense. He also made changes at the lower assistant levels. When (not if) he is fired, it will be the new coach's job to fire everyone Bradley hired and bring in his own guys.

Quote:I don't know much blame I put on Gus. I'm leaning more towards positional coaches and whoever is not developing players at positions. I don't see Gus as someone who is not trying. He stays motivated, despite the crap that is left out there each week. The scheme is still garbage. And the OC is enept. Not sure if Dave is keeping personnel at various coaching jobs, but whoever is making the call to keep some of these guys employed, that is where the blame lies. I'd be happy with a new OC and new DC/scheme. While we're at it, new DB coach, new O Line coach, and new RB coach. And new QB coach. If we could make that happen, got no problem with Gus staying.

 

So what you're saying is put Gus in charge of the Roar and get a new HC and coaching staff?

Quote:YES! He probably told them to think about what he asked and told them to get back to him later...maybe thru email maybe through written response, but I can't say that for certain, but Khan would know that the players aren't going to throw anyone under the bus

No. They would probably not. Not directly anyway, but might point out something like, maybe the team becoming deflated after a strong drive concluded by a turnover in the endzone. That, just for instance, although I know you meant coaches.

Quote:Hiring a new and unproven head coach is always going to be a gamble; you just don't know what you've really got until the hammer drops. They may prove to be great or they may be a bust; you just don't know. The best any GM can do is to evaluate as you would for hiring for any job; evaluate their experience and make your best educated guess.


 

At this point, it's appears Dave guessed wrong about Gus. He may very well have been the best option available at the time,
but he has proven to be pretty much a bust as a HC here. The season's not over, and it is still theoretically possible for things to get turned around dramatically, but the probability of it at this point is in serious doubt.

 

This is like drafting a player. Nobody knew what to expect when Blake Bortles was selected because he was a raw talent with mechanical and decision-making issues. Same thing for Dane Fowler the next year. I think many people forget there are similarities between hiring rookie coaches and drafting rookie players.


 

I remember the whole MB was mad at Shad Khan for deciding to hire the GM first while better coaches were getting jobs elsewhere. The problem is few teams do it that way, so their logic was flawed.


 

Was Gus Bradley the best coach available at the time? Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, and others already got new jobs by the time Dave Caldwell arrived, so this is possible. I don't think we will ever know.

Quote:Oh boy.... why ask the players and coaches what can be done? That just screams of clueless owner. What are they gonna say? This sounds pointless to me and kind of shows Mr. Khan doesn't have the balls to do what's needed.... I'm not trying to add more negativity, but this just seemed pointless; unless it was individually done.

 

I'd beg to differ, better done as a group. It's an owner that doesn't go there much....but when he does show up ....you should probably listen. You don't get where he is without a set.

Quote:I personally am starting to think that Khan is either too soft or ignorant when it comes to football.  It doesn't sound like he understands that leadership (or lack of) is the problem and it begins at the top!

 

The article does not have a "heads will roll" tone.

He hires what he thinks are the best people, stands back and gives you a chance. The cycles of season, the drafts, the preseasons and the season again just takes longer to realize....maybe I've scrood up. can't blame him for not giving you your shot....but when he's done...I promise he's done and you'll be gone. He's simply not an "in your face guy".

 

Quote:I'd rather have a football ignorant owner defer to the football people than a football ignorant owner try to implement changes blindly.

Ala' Jerry Jones, et al..nope he's not like that at all....hire the best you can find, stand back and watch. We're very lucky to have Khan as an owner.

 

He just put them all on notice.....from the Top down.

edit- sorry server went down while I was posting this,was still down when I went to bed.

Like Sting said....

Quote:Further elaboration:


<a class="bbc_url" href='http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/26/jaguars-owner-meets-with-players-and-coaches/'>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/26/jaguars-owner-meets-with-players-and-coaches/</a>

lol love how it took a talk from Shad Khan... not their head coach Gus Bradley... for them to win.


On the original topic, Khan knows why we're losing. Everyone that watches Jaguar games knows why we are losing, I'm sure the owner knows as well.

https://www.facebook.com/rapsheetnfl/vid...101777167/


Gus will not be let go mid season. Can we just drop it and hope for this team to turn it around?

Quote:lol love how it took a talk from Shad Khan... not their head coach Gus Bradley... for them to win.


On the original topic, Khan knows why we're losing. Everyone that watches Jaguar games knows why we are losing, I'm sure the owner knows as well.

 

If Shad Khan knew why we are losing he would have already fired Gus Bradley.

Quote:Gus will not be let go mid season. Can we just drop it and hope for this team to turn it around?

 

This is what I have been saying for a year. Shad Khan repeatedly said there is no reason to fire Gus Bradley midseason. Why not? Most recently, he said nothing would change because we have the same assistants until January 2.

Quote:I personally am starting to think that Khan is either too soft or ignorant when it comes to football.  It doesn't sound like he understands that leadership (or lack of) is the problem and it begins at the top!

 

The article does not have a "heads will roll" tone.

You think?! We have a Kumbiya head coach and a Kumbiya owner = 22% winners and constant top 5 picks. Say what you want about people like Donald Trump and Tom Coughlin but they get things DONE. Shad Khan keeping Gus Bradley for the entire year when any competent person in the world knows Gus should have been gone LAST year shows Shad should go back to working on car bumpers.

There's a lot of conclusions being reached here on scant evidence.

Quote:There's a lot of conclusions being reached here on scant evidence.

 

There is a reason I rarely participate in "Fire Gus" threads.

Khans business acumen is way too assumed for football acumen.

Quote:Khans business acumen is way too assumed for football acumen.

Exactly. He doesn't even know what to do.

You guys are wrong. Khan knows the status won't change if Bradley needs to be fired because history proves it. A coach change may get you one more win. However this is Khans selling point to his next coach that this organization shows patience and let Bradley have his chance until the end. It makes the Jags a more attractive club to be apart of for potential head coaches.

Khan even "addressed invidual players" wow! It takes the freaking owner to call out players. Khan should coach the team. I love how NON passive aggressive he is.

Quote:Khan could have saved himself the walk and just logged on to the board for that answer.

 

Or he could have visited firegusbradley.com

LOL

Khan is a clueless owner.  Nice guy but doesn't know jack about football.  Reminds me of the Devos family who own the Magic. Super nice people,great for the community, add great fluff to stadiums but in the wrong business.

Quote:Oh boy.... why ask the players and coaches what can be done? That just screams of clueless owner. What are they gonna say? This sounds pointless to me and kind of shows Mr. Khan doesn't have the balls to do what's needed.... I'm not trying to add more negativity, but this just seemed pointless; unless it was individually done.

 

It kind of sounds like an owner asking the football people, and the people playing football, what is wrong with the playing of football.

 

Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

Seems like a "getting a feel for the room" type of deal, and I've seen that work many, many times.

 

What you do with it, is the key, of course.

 

One guy I worked for brought all of the departments together and asked them the problems.  One grop spoke up and had a real attitude about it, towards him.  

 

He fired that whole department, on the spot.  It took us months to get things back, but it was worth it.  Different deal, an NFL team, to be sure.  

Quote:It starts with the HC because when he gets hired, his first task is hiring assistants. Fortunately, Gus Bradley knew Jedd Fisch was not the right guy for our offense, then later figured out Bob Babich is not the right guy for our defense. He also made changes at the lower assistant levels. When (not if) he is fired, it will be the new coach's job to fire everyone Bradley hired and bring in his own guys.

 

Gus was supposedly ordered to fire Fisch.


 

Given his record as Bears DC, Babich should never have even been hired. There is no excuse for Gus not firing him immediately after week six in 2015.


 

What lower assistants has he fired? He replaced the OL coach only because of health reasons. I guess the QB coach was replaced when Fisch was fired and Olson's regime took over, but I doubt Gus did anything but rubber stamp that.