(03-21-2018, 11:21 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 10:33 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]This is kind of a weird restructure. Telvin didn't take a pay cut in any way and I would assume the team's plans are for him to play his entire contract. It will free up some money this year, but if you roll it over, it will eventually catch up with subsequent signing bonus money. This looks more geared for some sort of move for this year - whether it be some other contract restructuring to push more money onto this year for players that may not see the end of their contracts and have guaranteed money deep into it... Or some unforeseen trade/signing.
Actually, this was a very common restructure. Teams have been doing this since the salary cap was created.
The only weird thing about it is that it appears the Jags don't need the cap space.
We're going to be very tight against the cap rules in 2019 it appears. But if they can carry some of Telvin's money, that would have counted against 2018, forward beyond 2019, to 2020, then 2019 is loosened by a couple of million bucks.
In other words, if you get some of 2018's cap hit and put it into 2020, and perhaps 2021, then that loosens up 2019. Because of the way we can carry forward the space we create in 2018.
(03-21-2018, 11:11 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 10:47 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if the rookie draft pool adjusts upward to accommodate a higher draft pick.
If so, perhaps the moves to increase cap space is designed to accommodate a trade up?
I was thinking the same.
The pool is not assigned until after the draft is my memory serves me correctly.
(03-21-2018, 11:25 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 10:47 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if the rookie draft pool adjusts upward to accommodate a higher draft pick.
If so, perhaps the moves to increase cap space is designed to accommodate a trade up?
We already had over $10M in cap space. Even if we traded up for the 1st pick without giving up any of our picks this year, it wouldn't take $10M to sign all of the rookies. This makes no sense unless we were targeting another free agent this year, and that doesn't make any sense either.
We're going to be very tight against the cap rules in 2019 it appears. But if they can carry some of Telvin's money, that would have counted against 2018, forward beyond 2019, to 2020, then 2019 is loosened by a couple of million bucks.
In other words, if you get some of 2018's cap hit and put it into 2020, and perhaps 2021, then that loosens up 2019, because of the way we can carry forward the space we create in 2018.
That's why this might not have anything to do with 2018. They're creating space to carry forward into 2019, when we will need it very badly.
(03-21-2018, 11:36 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 11:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]We're going to be very tight against the cap rules in 2019 it appears. But if they can carry some of Telvin's money, that would have counted against 2018, forward beyond 2019, to 2020, then 2019 is loosened by a couple of million bucks.
In other words, if you get some of 2018's cap hit and put it into 2020, and perhaps 2021, then that loosens up 2019, because of the way we can carry forward the space we create in 2018.
That's why this might not have anything to do with 2018. They're creating space to carry forward into 2019, when we will need it very badly.
This makes sense. If rolled over into 2019 it gives a net gain of $4M in 2019 cap space. Because this was a 2018 bonus that was converted, it could not have been put off to 2019.
I sure hope that was the intent.
It makes me wonder if there are any other roster bonuses they can do this to. It has no effect on the player, he still gets all the money at the same time he would have gotten it, it just affects the accounting.
Carryover for all the re-signings due or likely to be made in 2019 is the logical explanation.
I don't understand why anyone would fret about it.
(03-21-2018, 11:43 AM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Carryover for all the re-signings due or likely to be made in 2019 is the logical explanation.
I don't understand why anyone would fret about it.
Not sure if anyone is "fretting" about it.
In my case...speculating wildly? Perhaps.
But not fretting.
(03-21-2018, 01:52 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 09:26 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Who is eligible to be extended that we are 100% going to try and extend?
My guess would be TJ Yeldon.
Before last year I would have thought you were insane. He really stepped up when Fournette went down. Especially in the passing game.
I’m thinking they are trying to extend Fowler now so his number is already in for next year. Then roll over any extra. Next year redo Dareus, Campbell and Malik to retain Yannick and Jack. Roll over that and then extend Ramsey in 2020. This seems to be the plan to me
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bouye restructure along with Linder and Norwell next year. Especially if these guys are still getting all their money, it would only make sense to keep the other guys around you.
Further speculation would make me think Bortles has a two year window to really show he’s a top 10 guys before he is moved from for a cheaper option in 2020 to keep any otherdrafted guys.
(03-21-2018, 02:09 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 02:06 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m thinking they are trying to extend Fowler now so his number is already in for next year. Then roll over any extra. Next year redo Dareus, Campbell and Malik to retain Yannick and Jack. Roll over that and then extend Ramsey in 2020. This seems to be the plan to me
...and perhaps Parnell as well.
I can see Parnell being restructured as well although his number is relatively low. Still would free up something or they could cut him and draft an even cheaper replacement
So does anyone have a running tally?
The websites are saying between 13-18 mil but 1010xl said we have about 22-24 mil
(03-21-2018, 02:25 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]So does anyone have a running tally?
The websites are saying between 13-18 mil but 1010xl said we have about 22-24 mil
My guess is that only Dave and the crew really know lol
(03-21-2018, 02:32 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 02:25 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]So does anyone have a running tally?
The websites are saying between 13-18 mil but 1010xl said we have about 22-24 mil
My guess is that only Dave and the crew really know lol
If NFLPA can't be trusted, no one can, lol.
https://twitter.com/1010XLTyler/status/9...5296088069
(03-21-2018, 02:25 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]So does anyone have a running tally?
The websites are saying between 13-18 mil but 1010xl said we have about 22-24 mil
I've seen such widely disparate numbers thrown around that I don't really trust any figure at this point.
I imagine the pressers leading up to or following the draft will help reveal more info on this - and maybe a hint at what Cough-Well and Idzik are strategizing with the cap in 2019 and beyond.
(03-21-2018, 08:40 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 08:18 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I've wondered about that.
I also wonder if they are generating a cushion to roll over into next year.
I think this is the more likely scenario, unless they're looking at a backup QB.
Would this be for a trade up in draft for a qb possibly?
(03-21-2018, 10:15 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Remember when people were saying a big Arob deal would ruin our cap?
Yeah a bunch idiots said that.
(03-21-2018, 03:07 PM)oQuarterback Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2018, 02:32 PM)jvillejagsn1 Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that only Dave and the crew really know lol
If NFLPA can't be trusted, no one can, lol.
https://twitter.com/1010XLTyler/status/9...5296088069
If we have $22 million in cap room now, it's not quite the gloom and doom we have been expecting, unless the Jaguars plan to make a move for another vet.