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From what I can tell from anyone who watched him play more than just highlights is that his biggest weakness is his mental game. He has a tendency to make bad reads and throw a lot of pick 6s. Physically he is fine and can make all the throws.

(05-03-2018, 12:26 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]From what I can tell from anyone who watched him play more than just highlights is that his biggest weakness is his mental game. He has a tendency to make bad reads and throw a lot of pick 6s. Physically he is fine and can make all the throws.

Bingo!

(05-02-2018, 06:36 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 01:49 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Not only does he do quite poorly against pressure but he also invites a lot of it with his movement. Romo has talked before about having "quiet feet" , making small movements to decrease pressure (Tom Brady is a master of it), Lee tends to be all over the place and often steps right into the face of incoming pressure. 

I will say that he is tough and has no problem taking a clean hit to get a pass off, but he's easily one of the worst QBs I've seen from his class when it comes to minimizing and dealing with pressure

I watched another game film and still don't see what you're saying here. He actually has a rather quick release and usually gets the ball out ahead of the pressure, but you typically only see him going down when there are multiple pass rushers coming in. He's often able to side-step one guy.

I did see one case of him turning around and running smack into a guy, but it's only because he had two rushers coming right at him up the middle. It was a no brainer move with no chance to account for the 3rd guy who blew by his edge outside. I even saw one play where a pass rusher was coming right at him up the middle, but he managed to subtly back up just enough that the DT fell on his face in front of him.  I feel like he does a far better job minimizing pressure than your giving him credit for, and I'm wondering what you're watching or reading to come up with this conclusion as I'm sure you weren't watching a 4-12 Nebraska team all year long.

I watched him at Tulane a small bit as he had hype coming into the year as a prospect. He also has a very talented reciever in Morgan for Nebraska so I watched some games for him.  Then a handful when we drafted him.

I don't think I'm alone in saying he isn't good Vs pressure either. He can't process blitzs and doesn't have enough nuance in the pocket.  Those are big problems for me.

(05-02-2018, 06:53 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]If he was so bad at handling pressure, then surely head have a ton of sacks to show for it. So, let's see just how many sacks the drafted QBs took last year...

• Tanner Lee - 17 sacks
  
• Baker Mayfield - 18 sacks
  
• Kyle Lauletta - 20 sacks
  
• Josh Allen - 22 sacks
  
• Kyle Rudolph - 23 sacks
  
• Josh Rosen - 26 sacks
  
• Sam Darnold - 29 sacks
  
• Lamar Jackson - 29 sacks
  

While that is a surprising stat there is much more that goes into handling pressure than just sacks. Lee has no problem taking a hit and getting the BL away. 

Listen to Caldwell when he puts a heavy emphasis on Lee's performance when kept clean. Every QB suffers when under pressure, Lee just happens to be much worse at dealing with it.

(05-04-2018, 03:04 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 06:53 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]If he was so bad at handling pressure, then surely head have a ton of sacks to show for it. So, let's see just how many sacks the drafted QBs took last year...

• Tanner Lee - 17 sacks
  
• Baker Mayfield - 18 sacks
  
• Kyle Lauletta - 20 sacks
  
• Josh Allen - 22 sacks
  
• Kyle Rudolph - 23 sacks
  
• Josh Rosen - 26 sacks
  
• Sam Darnold - 29 sacks
  
• Lamar Jackson - 29 sacks
  

While that is a surprising stat there is much more that goes into handling pressure than just sacks. Lee has no problem taking a hit and getting the BL away. 

Listen to Caldwell when he puts a heavy emphasis on Lee's performance when kept clean. Every QB suffers when under pressure, Lee just happens to be much worse at dealing with it.

It is a surprising stat which may just suggest he handles pressure just fine. I can imagine he didn't look at that great considering Caldwell even said he was under duress all season at Nebraska, and this much was reflected in his stats. He played behind a leaky o-line with consistent pressure heading his way, and yet he managed only 17 sacks. Again, I credit this to his poise and presence in the pocket.

I've seen him take a hit, brush it off and get rid of the football... I've seen him effectively side-step pressure coming right at him from one defender... I've seen him step up to avoid pressure that he's able to just sense coming from behind him... I've seen him step back to effectively avoid pressure right up the middle... and very consistently I've seen him get rid of the ball just in time with his incredibly quick release.

His timing alone is impressive because he understands just how long he's able to hold onto the ball, and I'm sure he'd quickly figure out this much out in the NFL; he's not one to hold onto the ball too long. I don't think he's necessarily worse at dealing with pressure, but it does sound like he was under quite a bit more pressure than most.

Why are we even wasting time talking about this guy? I doubt he even sticks after mini camp much less the preseason. My guess is that Bortles and Kessler make the team and we add another team's castoff QB to the PS.

(05-04-2018, 10:26 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Why are we even wasting time talking about this guy? I doubt he even sticks after mini camp much less the preseason. My guess is that Bortles and Kessler make the team and we add another team's castoff QB to the PS.

You are always so positive!

Nope.

(05-04-2018, 10:26 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Why are we even wasting time talking about this guy? I doubt he even sticks after mini camp much less the preseason. My guess is that Bortles and Kessler make the team and we add another team's castoff QB to the PS.

Marrone said he looks forward to developing Lee. They know he has issues and feel they can correct those issues.

Tanner Lee is at least on the PS if not the actual roster. The only chance he's not is if he's waived with the intention of adding him to the PS but another team claims him off waivers. 

(05-04-2018, 02:53 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2018, 10:26 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Why are we even wasting time talking about this guy? I doubt he even sticks after mini camp much less the preseason. My guess is that Bortles and Kessler make the team and we add another team's castoff QB to the PS.

Marrone said he looks forward to developing Lee. They know he has issues and feel they can correct those issues.

Tanner Lee is at least on the PS if not the actual roster. The only chance he's not is if he's waived with the intention of adding him to the PS but another team claims him off waivers. 

No way he doesn't get claimed if released. He just has too much arm talent.

(05-04-2018, 02:53 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2018, 10:26 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Why are we even wasting time talking about this guy? I doubt he even sticks after mini camp much less the preseason. My guess is that Bortles and Kessler make the team and we add another team's castoff QB to the PS.

Marrone said he looks forward to developing Lee. They know he has issues and feel they can correct those issues.

Tanner Lee is at least on the PS if not the actual roster. The only chance he's not is if he's waived with the intention of adding him to the PS but another team claims him off waivers. 

I think he'll be cut and replaced by another team's castoff QB. Nobody else is gonna pick him up.

He gone? 3 of the last 4 years we drafted a QB in the 6th. Minshew is my favorite out of all of them but we could of had Grier in the 3rd. Even if Murray turns out to be a great LB you passed up on a potential franchise QB. Whether you like Grier or not you cant deny that would of been good value and the best back up QB we have had since Garrard. If Foles gets hurt we are done because once again they put the QB postion on the back burner. Ready to see how this back up QB position plays out. I do think Minshew wins it

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If they didnt want to draft a QB is one thing but to draft Minshew? Anyone that watches football cant think he is a better QB than Grier

If you weren't the Cardinals, chances are you didn't find a franchise QB.

This was a backup QB draft, and I'm rooting for the one we drafted to be ours.

As for franchise candidates, our opportunity will come in the next couple years (hopefully.) I hope, unlike years past, we can find that candidate when available and not only when desperately needed.

Redskins saved themselves from QB hell

(05-04-2018, 02:23 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Nope.

Tanner Lee is still a nope. This new one is the same. Backups of the future at best.

(04-27-2019, 10:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If they didnt want to draft a QB is one thing but to draft Minshew? Anyone that watches football cant think he is a better QB than Grier

That's probably why Minshew went in the sixth round and Grier in the third...

(04-27-2019, 11:10 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]If you weren't the Cardinals, chances are you didn't find a franchise QB.

I'm far, very far from convinced that Michael Vick 2.0 is a franchise QB for Arizona. I'm not even convinced they're better off with him than they were with Rosen.

(04-30-2019, 06:47 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2018, 02:23 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Nope.

Tanner Lee is still a nope. This new one is the same. Backups of the future at best.

I don't see Tanner standing a chance at claiming a roster spot this year, but he might claim a PS squad if he can beat out Alex McGough.

As for the roster, I'm already convinced it's Foles and Minshew. I see Kessler getting the ax during the roster cutdown.

(04-30-2019, 11:07 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2019, 06:47 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Tanner Lee is still a nope. This new one is the same. Backups of the future at best.

I don't see Tanner standing a chance at claiming a roster spot this year, but he might claim a PS squad if he can beat out Alex McGough.

As for the roster, I'm already convinced it's Foles and Minshew. I see Kessler getting the ax during the roster cutdown.

Your an optimist, Minshew will probably backup Kessler, unless we are lucky. I think Tanners ceiling is practice squad as well.

(04-30-2019, 11:07 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2019, 06:47 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Tanner Lee is still a nope. This new one is the same. Backups of the future at best.

I don't see Tanner standing a chance at claiming a roster spot this year, but he might claim a PS squad if he can beat out Alex McGough.

As for the roster, I'm already convinced it's Foles and Minshew. I see Kessler getting the ax during the roster cutdown.

As can I.  Seems like they invested a LOT on that futures deal for McGough.  He LOOKS the part and I want to see what he can do in practice/game setting.  I think Lee/Kessler are gone.  Definitely want to see Alex/Gardner battle it out.

Anybody remember this athlete named Tanner?