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Is this the same team that suspended Fournette for a game last year for missing a team photo? Has our discipline sunken so far the players felt they would be ok to go to a club at 4 am?

(10-28-2018, 07:22 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Is this the same team that suspended Fournette for a game last year for missing a team photo? Has our discipline sunken so far the players felt they would be ok to go to a club at 4 am?

If there wasn't a rule against It?

(10-28-2018, 09:33 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 07:22 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Is this the same team that suspended Fournette for a game last year for missing a team photo? Has our discipline sunken so far the players felt they would be ok to go to a club at 4 am?

If there wasn't a rule against It?

If there isn’t a curfew or related rule(/s) that would be quite bewildering

(10-28-2018, 09:53 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 09:33 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]If there wasn't a rule against It?

If there isn’t a curfew or related rule(/s) that would be quite bewildering

So...is there?

(10-28-2018, 07:22 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Is this the same team that suspended Fournette for a game last year for missing a team photo? Has our discipline sunken so far the players felt they would be ok to go to a club at 4 am?

I know this was always the thing that was specified during that suspension, since it kinda made us sound stupid, but that wasn't the only reason he was suspended.  He also missed a team meeting and treatment for his ankle injury.  I wouldn't have had an issue with the team suspending the players in the London incident, but using Fournette's suspension seems kinda hollow when you actually list the reasons why he was suspended.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2017/11/5/1...-team-rule

(10-28-2018, 10:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 09:53 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]If there isn’t a curfew or related rule(/s) that would be quite bewildering

So...is there?

Can’t tell you. 

1. If there was, obviously the players broke the rule 

2. If there wasn’t why the heck not? 

Either way doesn’t reflect well on the leadership in the locker room

(10-29-2018, 07:14 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 10:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]So...is there?

Can’t tell you. 

1. If there was, obviously the players broke the rule 

2. If there wasn’t why the heck not? 

Either way doesn’t reflect well on the leadership in the locker room

Apparently from what the reporter (I think it was Melissa Stark) that followed the Jaguars to London this week said, there was no curfew set on Friday Night. This was mentioned at the start of the game with the other reporter saying that instead the Eagles had a 11pm curfew and players were all counted and accounted for that Friday night.

Not sure how accurate the "no curfew" thing is but that's what was reported.

(10-29-2018, 07:14 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2018, 10:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]So...is there?

Can’t tell you. 

1. If there was, obviously the players broke the rule 

2. If there wasn’t why the heck not? 

Either way doesn’t reflect well on the leadership in the locker room

I always thought curfew for grown men was dumb, still do even with this incident.

Is this five pages of holier than thou crying in here? Can't bother to read it all. Grown men are allowed to party folks. If the coach didn't have a curfew no rules were broken. It most certainly had zero to do with the results of the game.

(10-29-2018, 08:24 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Is this five pages of holier than thou crying in here? Can't bother to read it all. Grown men are allowed to party folks. If the coach didn't have a curfew no rules were broken. It most certainly had zero to do with the results of the game.

It's not "holier than thou".  It's a matter of discipline.  Party til you drop in the off season.  Part of leadership is setting parameters so that a few immature knuckleheads do not cost the team with their impulsiveness and self-centeredness.  A team should not be penalized because a few guys cannot govern themselves.

Going to a club and making curfew are not mutually exclusive.  It's evident there should have been a curfew.

(10-29-2018, 08:30 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 08:24 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Is this five pages of holier than thou crying in here? Can't bother to read it all. Grown men are allowed to party folks. If the coach didn't have a curfew no rules were broken. It most certainly had zero to do with the results of the game.

It's not "holier than thou".  It's a matter of discipline.  Party til you drop in the off season.  Part of leadership is setting parameters so that a few immature knuckleheads do not cost the team with their impulsiveness and self-centeredness.  A team should not be penalized because a few guys cannot govern themselves.

Going to a club and making curfew are not mutually exclusive.  It's evident there should have been a curfew.

This

(10-29-2018, 08:30 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]It's not "holier than thou".  It's a matter of discipline.  Party til you drop in the off season.  Part of leadership is setting parameters so that a few immature knuckleheads do not cost the team with their impulsiveness and self-centeredness.  A team should not be penalized because a few guys cannot govern themselves.

Going to a club and making curfew are not mutually exclusive.  It's evident there should have been a curfew.

It didn't cost/penalize the team in any way, shape or form maybe other than some slightly poor optics. They broke zero rules, settled the misunderstanding of the tab. It wasn't the night before the game.

So if adults party it is being a knucklehead and undisciplined? Sounds holier than thou to me.

(10-29-2018, 08:24 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Is this five pages of holier than thou crying in here? Can't bother to read it all. Grown men are allowed to party folks. If the coach didn't have a curfew no rules were broken. It most certainly had zero to do with the results of the game.

It’s extremely unprofessional for a professional athlete, who relies on his body being in peak physical shape to perform at the level required to play and excel in the NFL, to apparently subject his body to the amount of alcohol reportedly purchased less than 48 hours before a sporting event he is being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) to perform in.

For all the hate Jalen has been getting this year with his mouth, he’s at least on record saying he doesn’t drink during the season. If true, much respect to him for sticking to that.

Anyone who has a vested interest in this team has a right to be pissed at what apparently transpired.  It calls into question how committed to winning anyone involved truly is.

(10-29-2018, 09:07 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 08:30 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]It's not "holier than thou".  It's a matter of discipline.  Party til you drop in the off season.  Part of leadership is setting parameters so that a few immature knuckleheads do not cost the team with their impulsiveness and self-centeredness.  A team should not be penalized because a few guys cannot govern themselves.

Going to a club and making curfew are not mutually exclusive.  It's evident there should have been a curfew.

It didn't cost/penalize the team in any way, shape or form maybe other than some slightly poor optics. They broke zero rules, settled the misunderstanding of the tab. It wasn't the night before the game.

So if adults party it is being a knucklehead and undisciplined? Sounds holier than thou to me.

If adults party til 4 am on the Friday night before a game that will determine the rest of their season, it is being a knucklehead and undisciplined.  The guys who do that are more about the sizzle than they are about the steak.  It's a loser mentality.

(10-29-2018, 09:45 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]

It’s not a holier than thou attitude.

Ask yourself, would this happen on a Belichick coached team? Andy Reid ? And so on.

This incident smacked of Gus Bus influence

(10-29-2018, 10:15 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not a holier than thou attitude.

Ask yourself, would this happen on a Belichick coached team? Andy Reid ? And so on.

This incident smacked of Gus Bus influence

LOL

Are you srs??

(10-29-2018, 10:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 10:15 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not a holier than thou attitude.

Ask yourself, would this happen on a Belichick coached team? Andy Reid ? And so on.

This incident smacked of Gus Bus influence

LOL

Are you srs??

Every team will have a “problem” here or there. 

Hernandez was a...well that was an awful case. 

My point was that those teams most likely have curfew and other rules in place, as silly as that sound. 

Belichick once benched welker for part of a playoff game after making a crude joke to the media. It sounds authoritarian and probably is but it evokes discipline. 
I don’t think the players are horrible. 

I just wonder again what kind of circumstances led the players to think it was no big deal. It just shows a cavalier attitude towards the team and the game that’s all. With a game with major implications for the season upcoming, a player “arrest” no matter how dumb, is a distraction for the team. That’s what my point is really. A distraction or distractions is the last thing the locker room needs

(10-29-2018, 10:27 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 10:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Are you srs??

Every team will have a “problem” here or there. 

Hernandez was a...well that was an awful case. 

My point was that those teams most likely have curfew and other rules in place, as silly as that sound. 

Belichick once benched welker for part of a playoff game after making a crude joke to the media. It sounds authoritarian and probably is but it evokes discipline. 
I don’t think the players are horrible. 

I just wonder again what kind of circumstances led the players to think it was no big deal. It just shows a cavalier attitude towards the team and the game that’s all. With a game with major implications for the season upcoming, a player “arrest” no matter how dumb, is a distraction for the team. That’s what my point is really. A distraction or distractions is the last thing the locker room needs

All teams have a well documented history of arrests.  NE and philly (under reid) have been better than most about it. But these things happen and what happened in London was really, really tame compared to much of the stuff you see listed under various teams arrest histories. 

Should the Jags have a little come-to-Jesus talk with their players about tightening up the reins on this crap?  Yes. Absolutely. But I don't think it means there's a major discipline problem with this team under the current regime. I really don't see that at all.