(10-29-2018, 10:34 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 10:27 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Every team will have a “problem” here or there.
Hernandez was a...well that was an awful case.
My point was that those teams most likely have curfew and other rules in place, as silly as that sound.
Belichick once benched welker for part of a playoff game after making a crude joke to the media. It sounds authoritarian and probably is but it evokes discipline.
I don’t think the players are horrible.
I just wonder again what kind of circumstances led the players to think it was no big deal. It just shows a cavalier attitude towards the team and the game that’s all. With a game with major implications for the season upcoming, a player “arrest” no matter how dumb, is a distraction for the team. That’s what my point is really. A distraction or distractions is the last thing the locker room needs
All teams have a well documented history of arrests. NE and philly (under reid) have been better than most about it. But these things happen and what happened in London was really, really tame compared to much of the stuff you see listed under various teams arrest histories.
Should the Jags have a little come-to-Jesus talk with their players about tightening up the reins on this crap? Yes. Absolutely. But I don't think it means there's a major discipline problem with this team under the current regime. I really don't see that at all.
It’s not at the level of major, and I’m sure, or at least hope that the coaches will address it internally.
Again, I’m just curious as to the circumstances leading to it is all.
I genuinely want this team to make a second half run. I don’t foresee it happening, but the less distractions, the better
Yeah I don't know how people think this is ok. There was what 9/53 out at that club? It's fair to assume probably half the roster was out then at different places. It's also fair to assume that it's been going on all season.
Instead of using Saturday to prep, they are recovering from hangovers. This POSSIBLY helps explain the massive injury bug this season. Body is a temple and if not treated as such during excessive physical stress, injuries will occur. There's no secret to that. There's a difference between drinking all night and showing up to your office job and the other being a professional athlete.
(10-29-2018, 10:55 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't know how people think this is ok. There was what 9/53 out at that club? It's fair to assume probably half the roster was out then at different places. It's also fair to assume that it's been going on all season.
Instead of using Saturday to prep, they are recovering from hangovers. This POSSIBLY helps explain the massive injury bug this season. Body is a temple and if not treated as such during excessive physical stress, injuries will occur. There's no secret to that. There's a difference between drinking all night and showing up to your office job and the other being a professional athlete.
LOL
That's a lot of assuming you got going on there.
(10-29-2018, 10:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 10:55 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't know how people think this is ok. There was what 9/53 out at that club? It's fair to assume probably half the roster was out then at different places. It's also fair to assume that it's been going on all season.
Instead of using Saturday to prep, they are recovering from hangovers. This POSSIBLY helps explain the massive injury bug this season. Body is a temple and if not treated as such during excessive physical stress, injuries will occur. There's no secret to that. There's a difference between drinking all night and showing up to your office job and the other being a professional athlete.
LOL
That's a lot of assuming you got going on there.
So you think that it's just those 9 and it's just that night? LOL you'd be an easy one to slide things past.
Players go out on Mondays/Tuesday, no secret to that at all. Zero issue with that. Friday into sat morning? Undisciplined and it's questionable.
The inflammatory effects of alcohol are factual, not even a question. It sure ain't helping.
Meh. I don't care. Sounds like this was a misunderstanding, nothing more. And it didn't cost the Jags the game yesterday.
(10-29-2018, 11:08 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 10:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
That's a lot of assuming you got going on there.
So you think that it's just those 9 and it's just that night? LOL you'd be an easy one to slide things past.
I think that lots of 25 year old millionaires go to nightclubs. Happens league-wide all the time. It doesn't bother me.
There's no "sliding past" it's
expected.
Now these jokers should have been smarter about getting into a bottle service situation where they were unaware of the financial implications, but that happens a lot at these places too. It happened to me as a younger man.
Scantily clad waitresses are pushing expensive offerings on you left and right and if another VIP or the house sends something to your table, you may assume the next bottle came from them as well.
My pals and I had to tune up our credit cards pretty steep one night in NYC when some wealthy friends walked out on a bottle service tab. It's not an uncommon situation but these dudes should have been smarter.
Beyond that, just have a curfew talk with the team and move on. No big deal.
(10-29-2018, 11:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 11:08 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]So you think that it's just those 9 and it's just that night? LOL you'd be an easy one to slide things past.
I think that lots of 25 year old millionaires go to nightclubs. Happens league-wide all the time. It doesn't bother me.
There's no "sliding past" it's expected.
Now these jokers should have been smarter about getting into a bottle service situation where they were unaware of the financial implications, but that happens a lot at these places too. It happened to me as a younger man.
Scantily clad waitresses are pushing expensive offerings on you left and right and if another VIP or the house sends something to your table, you may assume the next bottle came from them as well.
My pals and I had to tune up our credit cards pretty steep one night in NYC when some wealthy friends walked out on a bottle service tab. It's not an uncommon situation but these dudes should have been smarter.
Beyond that, just have a curfew talk with the team and move on. No big deal.
You must of stopped reading. I said it's extremely common for them to go out on Monday and Tuesday nights. Zero issue with it. Friday night into Saturday night? That's a problem dude, and it's disrespectful to your teammates. I'm also sure this wasn't just a one night thing, and more than likely more went out.
The fact you suggested to have a curfew talk, means you have an issue with it. If you didn't, why bring up a curfew talk? I thought there's nothing wrong with it? The need to even have a curfew talk is flat out embarrassing, just act like a professional it's pretty damn simple. Nobody cares about the money, I could care less if they spent a million or 100 bucks. It's a respect for your teammates and organization, and there's zero accountability.
(10-29-2018, 11:59 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 11:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think that lots of 25 year old millionaires go to nightclubs. Happens league-wide all the time. It doesn't bother me.
There's no "sliding past" it's expected.
Now these jokers should have been smarter about getting into a bottle service situation where they were unaware of the financial implications, but that happens a lot at these places too. It happened to me as a younger man.
Scantily clad waitresses are pushing expensive offerings on you left and right and if another VIP or the house sends something to your table, you may assume the next bottle came from them as well.
My pals and I had to tune up our credit cards pretty steep one night in NYC when some wealthy friends walked out on a bottle service tab. It's not an uncommon situation but these dudes should have been smarter.
Beyond that, just have a curfew talk with the team and move on. No big deal.
You must of stopped reading. I said it's extremely common for them to go out on Monday and Tuesday nights. Zero issue with it. Friday night into Saturday night? That's a problem dude, and it's disrespectful to your teammates. I'm also sure this wasn't just a one night thing, and more than likely more went out.
The fact you suggested to have a curfew talk, means you have an issue with it. If you didn't, why bring up a curfew talk? I thought there's nothing wrong with it? The need to even have a curfew talk is flat out embarrassing, just act like a professional it's pretty damn simple. Nobody cares about the money, I could care less if they spent a million or 100 bucks. It's a respect for your teammates and organization, and there's zero accountability.
You really do make lots of giant assumptions.
It's just not a big deal to me. Blow it up as something more all you want.
Assuming these guys run around on Fridays all season long compared to the one Friday night they get to hang together in London is a giant leap of reasoning. I think you're fooling yourself.
I began traveling the world in my twenties - and I can relate to a group of friends getting excited to hit the town during an overseas trip to a big city like London. They just should have been smarter about the tab.
(10-29-2018, 12:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 11:59 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]You must of stopped reading. I said it's extremely common for them to go out on Monday and Tuesday nights. Zero issue with it. Friday night into Saturday night? That's a problem dude, and it's disrespectful to your teammates. I'm also sure this wasn't just a one night thing, and more than likely more went out.
The fact you suggested to have a curfew talk, means you have an issue with it. If you didn't, why bring up a curfew talk? I thought there's nothing wrong with it? The need to even have a curfew talk is flat out embarrassing, just act like a professional it's pretty damn simple. Nobody cares about the money, I could care less if they spent a million or 100 bucks. It's a respect for your teammates and organization, and there's zero accountability.
You really do make lots of giant assumptions.
It's just not a big deal to me. Blow it up as something more all you want.
Assuming these guys run around on Fridays all season long compared to the one Friday night they get to hang together in London is a giant leap of reasoning. I think you're fooling yourself.
I began traveling the world in my twenties - and I can relate to a group of friends getting excited to hit the town during an overseas trip to a big city like London. They just should have been smarter about the tab.
How is it giant assumptions when you just said it is expected?
If it's not a big deal then why suggest a curfew talk?
Honestly you're making zero sense. The tab is a non issue and that's sweeping the glaring respect and leadership issues under the rug, but yeah let's keep talking about the tab that's meaningless.
Quite a few assumptions are being made with absolutely zero evidence. About the only thing that is known as FACT is that the players involved were up late Friday night. Nobody has said IF they had been consuming alcohol or HOW MUCH.
As far as having a curfew, these are grown men. They should be treated as such.
(10-29-2018, 10:55 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't know how people think this is ok. ...half the roster was out then at different places. It's also fair to assume that it's been going on all season.
Instead of using Saturday to prep, they are recovering from hangovers. This POSSIBLY helps explain the massive injury bug this season...
(10-29-2018, 11:59 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 11:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think that lots of 25 year old millionaires go to nightclubs. Happens league-wide all the time. It doesn't bother me.
There's no "sliding past" it's expected.
Now these jokers should have been smarter...
...No big deal.
...Friday night into Saturday night? That's a problem dude, and it's disrespectful to your teammates. I'm also sure this wasn't just a one night thing, and more than likely more went out.
The fact you suggested to have a curfew talk, means you have an issue with it. ...
(10-29-2018, 12:21 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 12:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You really do make lots of giant assumptions.
It's just not a big deal to me. Blow it up as something more all you want.
Assuming these guys run around on Fridays all season long compared to the one Friday night they get to hang together in London is a giant leap of reasoning. I think you're fooling yourself.
I began traveling the world in my twenties - and I can relate to a group of friends getting excited to hit the town during an overseas trip to a big city like London. They just should have been smarter about the tab.
How is it giant assumptions when you just said it is expected?
If it's not a big deal then why suggest a curfew talk?
First of all: the bold parts above contain exactly seven assumptions from you. Those are assumptions by definition and they are not very bright ones at that. A few of them are comically bad.
"Having a talk" does not suggest something is "a big deal." Handing out discipline, suspensions etc wouuld suggest it's a big deal. And Coughlin may influence Doug to do that still. We don't know.
If it were me, the players would get a brief lecture on why they need to be smarter on their nights off. End of story. No need for anything further IMO.
(10-29-2018, 04:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 10:55 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't know how people think this is ok. ...half the roster was out then at different places. It's also fair to assume that it's been going on all season.
Instead of using Saturday to prep, they are recovering from hangovers. This POSSIBLY helps explain the massive injury bug this season...
(10-29-2018, 11:59 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]...Friday night into Saturday night? That's a problem dude, and it's disrespectful to your teammates. I'm also sure this wasn't just a one night thing, and more than likely more went out.
The fact you suggested to have a curfew talk, means you have an issue with it. ...
(10-29-2018, 12:21 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]How is it giant assumptions when you just said it is expected?
If it's not a big deal then why suggest a curfew talk?
First of all: the bold parts above contain exactly seven assumptions from you. Those are assumptions by definition and they are not very bright ones at that. A few of them are comically bad.
"Having a talk" does not suggest something is "a big deal." Handing out discipline, suspensions etc wouuld suggest it's a big deal. And Coughlin may influence Doug to do that still. We don't know.
If it were me, the players would get a brief lecture on why they need to be smarter on their nights off. End of story. No need for anything further IMO.
LOLLLL WHAAAAT?
According to you it's not a fair assumption to think this hasn't happen on any other Friday night and that more than the 9/53 go out? Dude what? I'm honestly trying to make sense of it because you're not making sense. It's actually quite easy to assume that. As for the curfew talk, you're the one who suggested it I think it sounds pretty ridiculous to even have that conversation with grown men. You're just speaking like a lawyer lol and it's pretty funny.
Anyways as for the other who suggested they weren't drinking... really dude? Most of the champagne is to "flex" on the girls, but you aren't spending 65K or whatever and not having drinks.
It's absurd that before game day we have four players arrested. Like, hello? You're right... totally not a problem.
(10-29-2018, 05:38 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 04:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]First of all: the bold parts above contain exactly seven assumptions from you. Those are assumptions by definition and they are not very bright ones at that. A few of them are comically bad.
LOLLLL WHAAAAT?
According to you it's not a fair assumption to think this hasn't happen on any other Friday night and that more than the 9/53 go out? Dude what?
...
You made a bunch of idiotic assumptions. And yes, the assumption that
you think you know what these young men do on a typical in-season Friday night in Jacksonville - compared to one Friday night in London is yet another horribly stupid assumption. You don't know, and you're a fool to pretend you do know.
Came back with all the CAPS and exasperation you like. It's not helping your case.
(10-29-2018, 05:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 05:38 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]LOLLLL WHAAAAT?
According to you it's not a fair assumption to think this hasn't happen on any other Friday night and that more than the 9/53 go out? Dude what?
...
You made a bunch of idiotic assumptions. And yes, the assumption that you think you know what these young men do on a typical in-season Friday night in Jacksonville - compared to one Friday night in London is yet another horribly stupid assumption. You don't know, and you're a fool to pretend you do know.
Came back with all the CAPS and exasperation you like. It's not helping your case.
Um... so you're saying that you know? I'm confused because it sounds to me you're making the assumption that they don't. So what you're basically doing is making the assumption that my assumption is idiotic lol.
Smart guy you are.
(10-29-2018, 05:56 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 05:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You made a bunch of idiotic assumptions. And yes, the assumption that you think you know what these young men do on a typical in-season Friday night in Jacksonville - compared to one Friday night in London is yet another horribly stupid assumption. You don't know, and you're a fool to pretend you do know.
Came back with all the CAPS and exasperation you like. It's not helping your case.
Um... so you're saying that you know? I'm confused because it sounds to me you're making the assumption that they don't. So what you're basically doing is making the assumption that my assumption is idiotic lol.
Smart guy you are.
You really are confused, huh?
This makes it simple:
You are not being smart by assuming you have any clue what these young men do every other in-season Friday night.
I hope that's easy enough for you to understand.
It's not about what I think. Or my opinion of your assumption.
It's about you making an assumption for which you have zero knowledge to support.
I don't think they were arrested. Being detained until the tab was settled is not necessarily arrested. Correct me if I am mistaken.
(10-29-2018, 06:23 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they were arrested. Being detained until the tab was settled is not necessarily arrested. Correct me if I am mistaken.
I've seen two conflicting reports on that.
One only said "detained." Another said arrested and taken to a station for questioning - then released.
(10-29-2018, 06:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 05:56 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Um... so you're saying that you know? I'm confused because it sounds to me you're making the assumption that they don't. So what you're basically doing is making the assumption that my assumption is idiotic lol.
Smart guy you are.
You really are confused, huh?
This makes it simple:
You are not being smart by assuming you have any clue what these young men do every other in-season Friday night.
I hope that's easy enough for you to understand.
It's not about what I think. Or my opinion of your assumption.
It's about you making an assumption for which you have zero knowledge to support.
And neither do you.
Guess we both are idiots then.
(10-29-2018, 06:41 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 06:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You really are confused, huh?
This makes it simple:
You are not being smart by assuming you have any clue what these young men do every other in-season Friday night.
I hope that's easy enough for you to understand.
It's not about what I think. Or my opinion of your assumption.
It's about you making an assumption for which you have zero knowledge to support.
And neither do you.
I'm not the one claiming to know what these men do on any other night besides last Friday.
You are.
Don't get it twisted.
(10-29-2018, 06:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 06:41 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]And neither do you.
I'm not the one claiming to know what these men do on any other night besides last Friday.
You are.
Don't get it twisted.
Maybe you're drunk at the club? You said it's expected that they go out. Huh? Did you not say that? Hmmmmm...
All I said was it's a fair assumption either more players went out or this has happen before. You went off your rocker on it, almost as if you have a family member or friend on the staff.
When you said it's expected... but then saying let's not assume it's Friday...and lets also not assume not one more than the 9/53 went out... you sir sound like an idiot. Calling a spade a spade.