(10-29-2018, 06:54 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 06:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not the one claiming to know what these men do on any other night besides last Friday.
You are.
Don't get it twisted.
Maybe you're drunk at the club? You said it's expected that they go out. Huh? Did you not say that? Hmmmmm...
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When you said it's expected... but then saying let's not assume it's Friday...and lets also not assume not one more than the 9/53 went out... you sir sound like an idiot. Calling a spade a spade.
Taking my "expected" comment out of context isn't making your 7 stupid assumptions look any less stupid.
I said I expect 25 year old millionaires to go to nightclubs in response to your assertion that I'd be easy to "slide one past."
That was also when you made some other wild assumption about what you thought my opinion was on "more than 9 players."
Remember? That one was REALLY dumb since I'd made zero comments on those specifics in any fashion. But you formulated my opinion on it somehow anyway. I have no idea how many players were there beyond that (if any) and neither do you. LOL. But that didn't stop you from assuming you knew something you don't.
And yes - I expect 25 year old millionaires to go to nightclubs. So no, they wouldn't be sliding anything past me by doing so.
I didn't make any asinine assumptions about how many Jags players do so on any particular night of any particular week. That was ALLLLLL you, pal.
But, but ,..body...temple and stuff.
Buuuwwwwaaaaaa!!!
There was a time that booze bottles and packs of smokes would be in most players lockers. Wonder how the league ever survived?
Marrone has chosen discipline:
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Quote:Marrone also addressed the incident in London Friday evening/Saturday morning in which four players – safeties Barry Church, Jarrod Wilson and Ronnie Harrison and cornerback D.J. Hayden – were reportedly detained following a dispute over a bill at a club. Marrone said the players will be disciplined and that the matter will be handled internally.
“There will be discipline taken,” Marrone said. “It’s not a call to the principal’s office. It will be discipline.”
jaguars.com ^
(10-29-2018, 07:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone has chosen discipline:
Quote:Marrone also addressed the incident in London Friday evening/Saturday morning in which four players – safeties Barry Church, Jarrod Wilson and Ronnie Harrison and cornerback D.J. Hayden – were reportedly detained following a dispute over a bill at a club. Marrone said the players will be disciplined and that the matter will be handled internally.
“There will be discipline taken,” Marrone said. “It’s not a call to the principal’s office. It will be discipline.”
jaguars.com ^
So what's the discipline gonna be? I've already said that is should be a suspension, but then we can't field a Secondary. They need to come out and say what the punishment will be.
(10-29-2018, 07:55 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 07:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone has chosen discipline:
jaguars.com ^
So what's the discipline gonna be? I've already said that is should be a suspension, but then we can't field a Secondary. They need to come out and say what the punishment will be.
Probably a fine. If he's said three times it will be internal I doubt that information is going to be shared.
Why do you feel you need to know? (just curious)
(10-29-2018, 07:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 06:54 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe you're drunk at the club? You said it's expected that they go out. Huh? Did you not say that? Hmmmmm...
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When you said it's expected... but then saying let's not assume it's Friday...and lets also not assume not one more than the 9/53 went out... you sir sound like an idiot. Calling a spade a spade.
Taking my "expected" comment out of context isn't making your 7 stupid assumptions look any less stupid.
I said I expect 25 year old millionaires to go to nightclubs in response to your assertion that I'd be easy to "slide one past."
That was also when you made some other wild assumption about what you thought my opinion was on "more than 9 players."
Remember? That one was REALLY dumb since I'd made zero comments on those specifics in any fashion. But you formulated my opinion on it somehow anyway. I have no idea how many players were there beyond that (if any) and neither do you. LOL. But that didn't stop you from assuming you knew something you don't.
And yes - I expect 25 year old millionaires to go to nightclubs. So no, they wouldn't be sliding anything past me by doing so.
I didn't make any asinine assumptions about how many Jags players do so on any particular night of any particular week. That was ALLLLLL you, pal.
Sorry but going to a night club out of country is childish. The guys went to travel for a business trip, NOT for "what stays in Vegas stays in Vegas" type of deal. No it isnt expected.
(10-29-2018, 07:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 07:55 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]So what's the discipline gonna be? I've already said that is should be a suspension, but then we can't field a Secondary. They need to come out and say what the punishment will be.
Probably a fine. If he's said three times it will be internal I doubt that information is going to be shared.
Why do you feel you need to know? (just curious)
Mainly so we know it's not just a little slap on the wrist.
Should hit them for a game check.
(10-29-2018, 08:01 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 07:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]...
And yes - I expect 25 year old millionaires to go to nightclubs. So no, they wouldn't be sliding anything past me by doing so.
I didn't make any asinine assumptions about how many Jags players do so on any particular night of any particular week. That was ALLLLLL you, pal.
Sorry but going to a night club out of country is childish. The guys went to travel for a business trip, NOT for "what stays in Vegas stays in Vegas" type of deal. No it isnt expected.
I think it's perfectly within reason for a bunch of twenty-somethings to have a night on the town under those circumstances. To each his own. Plenty of valid but varying opinions on how to spend one's free time.
The "expected" comment was in a much more general context BTW. Was not specific to the London trip.
(10-29-2018, 10:55 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't know how people think this is ok. There was what 9/53 out at that club? It's fair to assume probably half the roster was out then at different places. It's also fair to assume that it's been going on all season.
Instead of using Saturday to prep, they are recovering from hangovers. This POSSIBLY helps explain the massive injury bug this season. Body is a temple and if not treated as such during excessive physical stress, injuries will occur. There's no secret to that. There's a difference between drinking all night and showing up to your office job and the other being a professional athlete.
Exhibit A from my previous comment. A lot of assumptions not based on FACT.
Did the players have some drinks at their night out at the club? Most likely yes. Does that mean that they got drunk to the point that they are/were hung over the next day? Don't know. Either way they are grown men and make their own decisions and suffer the consequences.
For all we know the booze was spent on dancers or "female companions". It was also reported that the club "sent" the booze to their table or whatever. It sounds more to me like the club possibly scammed these players more than anything.
(10-29-2018, 08:01 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 07:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Taking my "expected" comment out of context isn't making your 7 stupid assumptions look any less stupid.
I said I expect 25 year old millionaires to go to nightclubs in response to your assertion that I'd be easy to "slide one past."
That was also when you made some other wild assumption about what you thought my opinion was on "more than 9 players."
Remember? That one was REALLY dumb since I'd made zero comments on those specifics in any fashion. But you formulated my opinion on it somehow anyway. I have no idea how many players were there beyond that (if any) and neither do you. LOL. But that didn't stop you from assuming you knew something you don't.
And yes - I expect 25 year old millionaires to go to nightclubs. So no, they wouldn't be sliding anything past me by doing so.
I didn't make any asinine assumptions about how many Jags players do so on any particular night of any particular week. That was ALLLLLL you, pal.
Sorry but going to a night club out of country is childish. The guys went to travel for a business trip, NOT for "what stays in Vegas stays in Vegas" type of deal. No it isnt expected.
Agreed it's not. When Deion joined the 49ers the in 90's you heard leaders like Rice say they wouldnt stand for any baggage but come to help us win. This team not only lacks an identity, which I had to argue this NYC guy that it was a run based team last year because he said they weren't, but it lacks leadership and accountability. The team needs someone or something to reel them in. All all this talent is worthless without leadership guys, very immature team.
(10-29-2018, 08:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:01 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry but going to a night club out of country is childish. The guys went to travel for a business trip, NOT for "what stays in Vegas stays in Vegas" type of deal. No it isnt expected.
I think it's perfectly within reason for a bunch of twenty-somethings to have a night on the town under those circumstances. To each his own. Plenty of valid but varying opinions on how to spend one's free time.
The "expected" comment was in a much more general context BTW. Was not specific to the London trip.
I have no problem with these guys going out and enjoying themselves, nothing wrong with that at all.
Harrison is only 21, understandable. Wilson is 24, still young. Hayden is 28 and Church is 30. They aren't all just young and naive. Church should know better then to let things get out of hand like that. Yea, they probably got taken advantage of, but when you put yourself out there like that, it's going to happen.
There's no reason why they couldn't have went out and had a great night on the town. Got a bottle, or three and enjoyed themselves. 99% of the population wouldn't have any clue who those 4 were if you walked past them, or just seen them at a bar/club enjoying themselves. You start getting VIP booths/VIP services and all you're doing is asking for trouble. You're either going to get a bunch of leeches who are trying to take advantage, or idiots looking for problems.
(10-29-2018, 08:16 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:01 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry but going to a night club out of country is childish. The guys went to travel for a business trip, NOT for "what stays in Vegas stays in Vegas" type of deal. No it isnt expected.
Agreed it's not. When Deion joined the 49ers the in 90's you heard leaders like Rice say they wouldnt stand for any baggage but come to help us win. This team not only lacks an identity, which I had to argue this NYC guy that it was a run based team last year because he said they weren't, but it lacks leadership and accountability. The team needs someone or something to reel them in. All all this talent is worthless without leadership guys, very immature team.
That falls on Marrone. The guy fails time and time again to build a culture. Samething happend in Buffalo. Cant believe how Caldwell got away with hiring a retrend coach and a bust QB. The guy deserves to get fired with the coaching staff all together.
(10-29-2018, 08:17 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's perfectly within reason for a bunch of twenty-somethings to have a night on the town under those circumstances. To each his own. Plenty of valid but varying opinions on how to spend one's free time.
The "expected" comment was in a much more general context BTW. Was not specific to the London trip.
I have no problem with these guys going out and enjoying themselves, nothing wrong with that at all.
Harrison is only 21, understandable. Wilson is 24, still young. Hayden is 28 and Church is 30. They aren't all just young and naive. Church should know better then to let things get out of hand like that. Yea, they probably got taken advantage of, but when you put yourself out there like that, it's going to happen.
There's no reason why they couldn't have went out and had a great night on the town. Got a bottle, or three and enjoyed themselves. 99% of the population wouldn't have any clue who those 4 were if you walked past them, or just seen them at a bar/club enjoying themselves. You start getting VIP booths/VIP services and all you're doing is asking for trouble. You're either going to get a bunch of leeches who are trying to take advantage, or idiots looking for problems.
You could always have fun without drinking. London is a historicial place and they could of went to many different great places with a much better atmopshere than a night club. Dumb decision is dumb, period.
(10-29-2018, 08:12 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 10:55 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't know how people think this is ok. There was what 9/53 out at that club? It's fair to assume probably half the roster was out then at different places. It's also fair to assume that it's been going on all season.
Instead of using Saturday to prep, they are recovering from hangovers. This POSSIBLY helps explain the massive injury bug this season. Body is a temple and if not treated as such during excessive physical stress, injuries will occur. There's no secret to that. There's a difference between drinking all night and showing up to your office job and the other being a professional athlete.
Exhibit A from my previous comment. A lot of assumptions not based on FACT.
Did the players have some drinks at their night out at the club? Most likely yes. Does that mean that they got drunk to the point that they are/were hung over the next day? Don't know. Either way they are grown men and make their own decisions and suffer the consequences.
For all we know the booze was spent on dancers or "female companions". It was also reported that the club "sent" the booze to their table or whatever. It sounds more to me like the club possibly scammed these players more than anything.
Ok...this is you
Drinking? Probably... Assumption
Drunk to hangover? Don't know... assumption
Booze on females? Assumption
Club sends booze? Assumption
Club scam? Assumption
I don't think my assumptions sound so ridiculous now... or do they? Assumption
I can do this all day with you clowns keep being hypocritical.
(10-29-2018, 08:16 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:01 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry but going to a night club out of country is childish. The guys went to travel for a business trip, NOT for "what stays in Vegas stays in Vegas" type of deal. No it isnt expected.
Agreed it's not. When Deion joined the 49ers the in 90's you heard leaders like Rice say they wouldnt stand for any baggage but come to help us win. This team not only lacks an identity, which I had to argue this NYC guy that it was a run based team last year because he said they weren't, but it lacks leadership and accountability. The team needs someone or something to reel them in. All all this talent is worthless without leadership guys, very immature team.
You really need to get your [BLEEP] straight.
(I argued that they didn't really establish an identity as a run team as much as everyone was saying since they had several games in which they went away from it or failed at it. They certainly tried to be a run based team when they could. Didn't always work and with some opponents they went the other way. I never said they were not a run based team.)
Please stop putting words in my mouth. You're screwing it up.
(10-29-2018, 08:21 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:12 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Exhibit A from my previous comment. A lot of assumptions not based on FACT.
Did the players have some drinks at their night out at the club? Most likely yes. Does that mean that they got drunk to the point that they are/were hung over the next day? Don't know. Either way they are grown men and make their own decisions and suffer the consequences.
For all we know the booze was spent on dancers or "female companions". It was also reported that the club "sent" the booze to their table or whatever. It sounds more to me like the club possibly scammed these players more than anything.
Ok...this is you
Drinking? Probably... Assumption
Drunk to hangover? Don't know... assumption
LOL
Let it go. We can all see you have no idea what an assumption is. (Among other things)
Someone saying "I don't know. Maybe this happened." is not an assumption.
noun
- 1.
a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
"they made certain assumptions about the market"
(10-29-2018, 08:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:16 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed it's not. When Deion joined the 49ers the in 90's you heard leaders like Rice say they wouldnt stand for any baggage but come to help us win. This team not only lacks an identity, which I had to argue this NYC guy that it was a run based team last year because he said they weren't, but it lacks leadership and accountability. The team needs someone or something to reel them in. All all this talent is worthless without leadership guys, very immature team.
You really need to get your [BLEEP] straight.
(I argued that they didn't really establish an identity as a run team as much as everyone was saying since they had several games in which they went away from it or failed at it. They certainly tried to be a run based team when they could. Didn't always work and with some opponents they went the other way. I never said they were not a run based team.)
Please stop putting words in my mouth. You're screwing it up.
Uh no sir. You can look back. You went on and on about how this was a balanced offense, not centered around the RB, and how Hackett is so creative. Literally you went on for day or weeks about how it wasnt a run based offense. Even when I bring up simple stats such as led the league in rush yards and attempts... nah... balanced. Dude you can never admit when you're wrong, and you're wrong a lot. Just shhhhh.
(10-29-2018, 08:17 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's perfectly within reason for a bunch of twenty-somethings to have a night on the town under those circumstances. To each his own. Plenty of valid but varying opinions on how to spend one's free time.
The "expected" comment was in a much more general context BTW. Was not specific to the London trip.
I have no problem with these guys going out and enjoying themselves, nothing wrong with that at all.
Harrison is only 21, understandable. Wilson is 24, still young. Hayden is 28 and Church is 30. They aren't all just young and naive. Church should know better then to let things get out of hand like that. Yea, they probably got taken advantage of, but when you put yourself out there like that, it's going to happen.
There's no reason why they couldn't have went out and had a great night on the town. Got a bottle, or three and enjoyed themselves. 99% of the population wouldn't have any clue who those 4 were if you walked past them, or just seen them at a bar/club enjoying themselves. You start getting VIP booths/VIP services and all you're doing is asking for trouble. You're either going to get a bunch of leeches who are trying to take advantage, or idiots looking for problems.
The thing about that though, and I don't want this to come across as "racial profiling" ... but I'm guessing that it's not very common to have 4 fit black gentleman who are obviously yanks probably dressed pretty nice around London. With the news that the NFL is in town it wouldn't exactly be rocket science to peg them as NFL players, even if their names are unknown. They had "target" written all over them.
(10-29-2018, 08:29 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You really need to get your [BLEEP] straight.
(I argued that they didn't really establish an identity as a run team as much as everyone was saying since they had several games in which they went away from it or failed at it. They certainly tried to be a run based team when they could. Didn't always work and with some opponents they went the other way. I never said they were not a run based team.)
Please stop putting words in my mouth. You're screwing it up.
Uh no sir. You can look back. You went on and on about how this was a balanced offense, not centered around the RB, and how Hackett is so creative. Literally you went on for day or weeks about how it wasnt a run based offense. Even when I bring up simple stats such as led the league in rush yards and attempts... nah... balanced. Dude you can never admit when you're wrong, and you're wrong a lot. Just shhhhh.
They
were balanced.
Hackett
was really creative in 4 or 5 games.
They tried to be a run-centric team but it didn't really turn out that way a lot of the time. I'm not going off topic anymore here on this.
There's no making any sense with you anyway.
Back to the London incident... I don't think it warrants any severe punishment based on the information available to the gen public.
(10-29-2018, 08:21 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:12 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Exhibit A from my previous comment. A lot of assumptions not based on FACT.
Did the players have some drinks at their night out at the club? Most likely yes. Does that mean that they got drunk to the point that they are/were hung over the next day? Don't know. Either way they are grown men and make their own decisions and suffer the consequences.
For all we know the booze was spent on dancers or "female companions". It was also reported that the club "sent" the booze to their table or whatever. It sounds more to me like the club possibly scammed these players more than anything.
Ok...this is you
Drinking? Probably... Assumption
Drunk to hangover? Don't know... assumption
Booze on females? Assumption
Club sends booze? Assumption
Club scam? Assumption
I don't think my assumptions sound so ridiculous now... or do they? Assumption
I can do this all day with you clowns keep being hypocritical.
As far as drinking I said "most
likely yes". I base that off of the age of the guys involved and the fact that they were at a club. I could be wrong about that but it's
likely that they did have some drinks. Did they drink enough that they were hung over the following day? I said that I didn't know.
You are the one to make the claim that that they along with half the team "spent Saturday recovering from hangovers" rather than preparing for Sunday's game.
So which is more likely?
As far as booze to females and the club sending booze to the table, it's a very common scam. I don't know how many clubs you have been to in foreign countries, but it is quite common and I have seen it first hand. Perhaps research the term "clip joint".
(10-29-2018, 08:44 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2018, 08:21 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Ok...this is you
Drinking? Probably... Assumption
Drunk to hangover? Don't know... assumption
Booze on females? Assumption
Club sends booze? Assumption
Club scam? Assumption
I don't think my assumptions sound so ridiculous now... or do they? Assumption
I can do this all day with you clowns keep being hypocritical.
As far as drinking I said "most likely yes". I base that off of the age of the guys involved and the fact that they were at a club. I could be wrong about that but it's likely that they did have some drinks. Did they drink enough that they were hung over the following day? I said that I didn't know.
You are the one to make the claim that that they along with half the team "spent Saturday recovering from hangovers" rather than preparing for Sunday's game.
So which is more likely?
As far as booze to females and the club sending booze to the table, it's a very common scam. I don't know how many clubs you have been to in foreign countries, but it is quite common and I have seen it first hand. Perhaps research the term "clip joint".
Sounds like you're assuming something without facts... as I've been told... that's a no no... do you have something from the club saying it's to females? Assumptions assumptions... so idiotic to make... am I doing this right?