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(10-29-2018, 07:50 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 02:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I sure do not,

To have long term success in the NFL a team has to have a Franchise QB.  It's too expensive to keep a good defensive team together and the league has bent the rules heavily towards the offense.  Normally the only way to find these guys are the top of the draft.  Sure there are the Brady's and Rodgers who slip in the draft but it's very rare.  Caldwell has a horrible record in the first round and really worried if we rely on his judgement to find our man. 

Ramsey has been his only good pick at this point.  Caldwell has a horrendous first round history:

Luke "the joke"  Joeckle:  Huge bust with the #2 overall pick. 
Blake Bortles:  Another huge bust and doubt he is on the roster next year
Fowler:  Another bust. His production has not warranted a top 3 pick. Another one that won't be here next year
Fournette: Injury problems in college and continues in the pro's.  In bust territory
Bryant: Still early but has shown nothing special.  Just a guy


Dave Caldwell was the same guy who took a surprise pick of Blake Bortles with the 3rd overall pick.  He wasn't a natural thrower of the football then and he is still not now.

The bigger issue is the front office. Look at teams like the Jags, Tacks, Browns. They hire coaches that are retrends and cant develop the guys that they draft. Even a talented QB could easily be a bust if the front office fails miserably to sorround him with guys that could help. Coaches and the GM is the biggest issues for franchises thats been losers for a decade now.

(10-29-2018, 02:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Do I create threads just to bash members of the organization?

[] Yes
[] Of Course
[] Corn
[] Blank #2

You win the internet today.  LOL.

(10-29-2018, 02:21 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't even trust Caldwell to reheat a leftover cheeseburger from Steak N Shake. He would burn it.

This guy is given far too much credit for "hitting" on a couple top 5 draft picks and a few later round picks. I can't understand why 100% of the fan base is not convinced this guy needs to go.

All other GMs have huge misses and have good picks. What seperates a good GM to a bad one is the hiring of good coaches and hitting on a franchise QB, wich Caldwell failed in both departments.

I don't trust Caldwell to hit on QB. Having said that, I don't think any new GM would take the Jags job with TC as big brother, DM as HC and BB as QB. Also, I just don't see financially how BB is the off the roster in 2019 (without trading away pick to team with cap space... Raiders?).

Instead, Jags should shore up the deficiencies that this team has outside QB -- meaning OL, TE, and WR. I don't know hows much I trust DC with those positions either, but you need a clean pocket and receivers who can get open and catch no matter what QB is brought in within the next 2 years.

This is also because, I don't think any QB that will declare for the 2019 draft really has a ceiling higher than average.

(10-29-2018, 08:24 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't trust Caldwell to hit on QB. Having said that, I don't think any new GM would take the Jags job with TC as big brother, DM as HC and BB as QB. If anything would be a deal breaker, and I just don't see financially how BB is the off the roster in 2019 (without trading away pick to team with cap space... Raiders?).

I think instead of doing, you shore up the deficiencies that this team has outside QB -- meaning OL, TE, and WR. I don't know hows much I trust DC with those positions either, but you need a clean pocket and receivers who can get open and catch no matter what QB is brought in within the next 2 years.

When a GM gets fired usually the coaching staff gets canned too. If not they are in a very short leashe (see Mularkey in Nashville)

Both Caldwell and Marrone need to go.

(10-29-2018, 07:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 07:40 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I remember after the 2017 draft, it was revealed that TC was the one who was leading the call to draft Smoot, when we had a huge need at OG and Dan Feeney was still on the board. Look how that turned out. Feeney is the starting LG for the Chargers, one of the best offenses in the NFL and Smoot is a healthy scratch every week. I don't trust Caldwell or TC.

I don't recall that. Do you have any link - or can you name a source? I'm not saying it didn't  happen - just curious as I don't recall it and I questioned the pick heavily.

I don't have the article, but it was actually on the teams official website in an article. It sited that the Smoot selection was "TC's pick".

(10-29-2018, 08:27 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 07:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't recall that. Do you have any link - or can you name a source? I'm not saying it didn't  happen - just curious as I don't recall it and I questioned the pick heavily.

I don't have the article, but it was actually on the teams official website in an article. It sited that the Smoot selection was "TC's pick".

If thats true then that is idiotic. Maybe TC needs to fire Caldwell and he could also become VP & GM at the same time so he could be held accountable. Just how Jon Robinson is in Nashville.

(10-29-2018, 03:31 PM)ŌJagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]As if Caldwell is the first guy to strike out trying to find a franchise QB. As if finding a franchise QB is a simple task. There are multiple teams that have been searching for decades for a franchise QB. In reality, there's never going to be enough competent QBs in the league for 32 teams. Hell, has many are there currently,  ten, twelve maybe?  I'll also add that teams that of have a franchise QB are likely better lucky than good. The Patriots are certainly that. Green Bay as well.

Really, any criticism of the GM should only be made after evaluating the entire roster. And yes, QB is an important part of that, so yes, Caldwell is certainly deserving of criticism in that regard. But I don't think that makes him completely incapable of finding a QB.

You’re right, finding a franchise qb is hard. But when you knowingly select a project who literally can’t properly throw a football, at #3 no less, you set yourself up for the fireable hot seat.. and if he didn’t know that, that’s equally bad.

(10-29-2018, 08:27 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 07:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't recall that. Do you have any link - or can you name a source? I'm not saying it didn't  happen - just curious as I don't recall it and I questioned the pick heavily.

I don't have the article, but it was actually on the teams official website in an article. It sited that the Smoot selection was "TC's pick".

I have a hard time believing that. I was glued to everything that site released during the draft.

(10-29-2018, 07:40 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 02:34 PM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]As  mentioned above.....draft choices have to pass TC's approval.
Caldwell seems to do better working out trades.....but still...its with TC's ok.

I remember after the 2017 draft, it was revealed that TC was the one who was leading the call to draft Smoot, when we had a huge need at OG and Dan Feeney was still on the board. Look how that turned out. Feeney is the starting LG for the Chargers, one of the best offenses in the NFL and Smoot is a healthy scratch every week. I don't trust Caldwell or TC.

(10-29-2018, 08:26 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 08:24 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't trust Caldwell to hit on QB. Having said that, I don't think any new GM would take the Jags job with TC as big brother, DM as HC and BB as QB. If anything would be a deal breaker, and I just don't see financially how BB is the off the roster in 2019 (without trading away pick to team with cap space... Raiders?).

I think instead of doing, you shore up the deficiencies that this team has outside QB -- meaning OL, TE, and WR. I don't know hows much I trust DC with those positions either, but you need a clean pocket and receivers who can get open and catch no matter what QB is brought in within the next 2 years.

When a GM gets fired usually the coaching staff gets canned too. If not they are in a very short leashe (see Mularkey in Nashville)

Both Caldwell and Marrone need to go.

But that is my point. But letting those 3 go means the Jags eat $16.5 million dead cap next year, while trying to maintain a very good defense and keep their window open. I don't think that is possible.

If your willing to rebuild again with cutting some of the higher-cost and older defensive players, and try to get a new window with a new QB, then that plan would work, but it means 2-3 more years of mediocre at-best football.

Also, I don't see that QB in the 2019 draft class right now.

I'm so tired of this stupid one side, or the other crap. They're tied at the hip and both are at fault (TC and Caldwell)... You get rid of one, they both have to go, as well as everybody else. Full house clean, or nothing at all.

(10-29-2018, 08:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm so tired of this stupid one side, or the other crap. They're tied at the hip and both are at fault (TC and Caldwell)... You get rid of one, they both have to go, as well as everybody else. Full house clean, or nothing at all.

Couldn't agree more, but this can't be expected till after next season. No respectable coach/GM will take on Bortles. Full house clean after 2019.

(10-29-2018, 09:05 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 08:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm so tired of this stupid one side, or the other crap. They're tied at the hip and both are at fault (TC and Caldwell)... You get rid of one, they both have to go, as well as everybody else. Full house clean, or nothing at all.

Couldn't agree more, but this can't be expected till after next season. No respectable coach/GM will take on Bortles. Full house clean after 2019.

I don't want a full house clean, injuries destroyed our season. That's the fact of the matter.

I'm just saying, if you think getting rid of Caldwell is the answer, you're wrong. They all need to go if that's the case.

(10-29-2018, 09:12 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 09:05 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Couldn't agree more, but this can't be expected till after next season. No respectable coach/GM will take on Bortles. Full house clean after 2019.

I don't want a full house clean, injuries destroyed our season. That's the fact of the matter.

I'm just saying, if you think getting rid of Caldwell is the answer, you're wrong. They all need to go if that's the case.

Fair enough.

(10-29-2018, 09:05 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 08:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm so tired of this stupid one side, or the other crap. They're tied at the hip and both are at fault (TC and Caldwell)... You get rid of one, they both have to go, as well as everybody else. Full house clean, or nothing at all.

Couldn't agree more, but this can't be expected till after next season. No respectable coach/GM will take on Bortles. Full house clean after 2019.

Exactly. So Jags might as well make other positions better in the mean time that need improvement anyways.

Or maybe trade some players you won't need in 2 years for some picks in 2020 that can be packaged in a trade.

I mean just look at this... You could have the greatest GM in history, but you aren't over coming this... There's only 3 QBs in the league who could give you a chance and even then it'd be hard. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees are the only QBs in this league that would give us a chance still with these injuries and they don't even list the OL guys who have been missing practices every week. This is 1/2 of the roster and its still missing guys on this list..

Rob Johnson, Jonathan Quinn, David Garrard, Phillip Rivers/Eli Manning, Andre Woodson, Brett Romar, Ryan Nassib, Blake Bortles, Brandon Allen, Tanner Lee.

That's Coughlin and Caldwell's entire combined QB draft history while they've been HC/GM. Even considering that most of those are mid/late picks, why on god's green earth would you trust them to take another swing at drafting another QB.

(10-29-2018, 07:40 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-29-2018, 02:34 PM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]As  mentioned above.....draft choices have to pass TC's approval.
Caldwell seems to do better working out trades.....but still...its with TC's ok.

I remember after the 2017 draft, it was revealed that TC was the one who was leading the call to draft Smoot, when we had a huge need at OG and Dan Feeney was still on the board. Look how that turned out. Feeney is the starting LG for the Chargers, one of the best offenses in the NFL and Smoot is a healthy scratch every week. I don't trust Caldwell or TC.

I thought Caldwell said he had Smoot far and away the beast play on the board so they took him