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I really do think that a QB's success is like 80% dependent on his coaching staff.

Oline should be our priority next offseason.

Cann is below average (and UFA this summer), Parnell will be 33 at the start of next season, Cam will come back from a big injury, Norwell is average....

(11-01-2018, 03:31 PM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]Oline should be our priority next offseason.

Cann is below average (and UFA this summer), Parnell will be 33 at the start of next season, Cam will come back from a big injury, Norwell is average....

Yup, OL, TE and WR (order depending on who's there) all need to be addressed this off season/draft. If some QB falls, you have to think real hard about it, but can't take one simply to take one.

The whole offense

QB
RB
Oline
WR
Tight End

There isn't one good unit on offense right now

Caldwell is only a part of question marks for me. I have almost zero trust/confidence is the whole coaching staff, and you might as well include Coughlin if he is approving some of the bone head moves made within the past year.

Failing to address the QB situation, not properly evaluating/scouting potential QB's...

Not having enough quality depth at O-line....

I'll tell you what would really restore some confidence in Caldwell... If we could get the best 5 pass rushers left on the board in 2019 as our first 5 picks.

Does Hackett's offense allow for a TE to even do well in his system? Just a few passes here and there doesn't count.

(11-02-2018, 01:37 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Does Hackett's offense allow for a TE to even do well in his system? Just a few passes here and there doesn't count.

Hackett needs to go.

(11-02-2018, 09:34 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell is only a part of question marks for me. I have almost zero trust/confidence is the whole coaching staff, and you might as well include Coughlin if he is approving some of the bone head moves made within the past year.

Failing to address the QB situation, not properly evaluating/scouting potential QB's...

Not having enough quality depth at O-line....

I'll tell you what would really restore some confidence in Caldwell... If we could get the best 5 pass rushers left on the board in 2019 as our first 5 picks.

No one really makes it through smoothly when you are down to a 3rd string never having played LT, LT.   

Not to mention the TE position, which would help mask some of the above issue.  You also are down to a 3rd to 4th stringer there.  These aren't excuses.  We are what we are. 



I think our problems to date are a snowball effect of the above, the weapons we planned on having we don't (you can argue Lee and ASJ would have a marginal effect if you like), a regression of Cole, no other TE contribution at all, our change of pace back who I'm sure we had envisioned a bigger role being out, and LF being out.  

You can coach up to mask some of that, but when your plan has been pretty much cremated from week one on, and then just compounded, it ain't going to be great.

My frustration is that we just kill Bortles, when he has no weapons.  He has fault, to be sure, but man.....it ain't like he's got Manning's weapons.

(11-02-2018, 03:57 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2018, 09:34 AM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell is only a part of question marks for me. I have almost zero trust/confidence is the whole coaching staff, and you might as well include Coughlin if he is approving some of the bone head moves made within the past year.

Failing to address the QB situation, not properly evaluating/scouting potential QB's...

Not having enough quality depth at O-line....

I'll tell you what would really restore some confidence in Caldwell... If we could get the best 5 pass rushers left on the board in 2019 as our first 5 picks.

No one really makes it through smoothly when you are down to a 3rd string never having played LT, LT.   

Not to mention the TE position, which would help mask some of the above issue.  You also are down to a 3rd to 4th stringer there.  These aren't excuses.  We are what we are. 



I think our problems to date are a snowball effect of the above, the weapons we planned on having we don't (you can argue Lee and ASJ would have a marginal effect if you like), a regression of Cole, no other TE contribution at all, our change of pace back who I'm sure we had envisioned a bigger role being out, and LF being out.  

You can coach up to mask some of that, but when your plan has been pretty much cremated from week one on, and then just compounded, it ain't going to be great.

My frustration is that we just kill Bortles, when he has no weapons.  He has fault, to be sure, but man.....it ain't like he's got Manning's weapons.

I agree with you here.

Losing Marquise Lee, ASJ, Fournette being out, LT, role player running back, etc. was just too much to overcome.  If the team was healthy on that side of the ball I think we would have seen a much better outcome from some of these games played.

Quite frankly, I don't think Bortles has played as bad as most on here would say.  Yes he has made some bad plays, but so have a lot of other players.  I think the defensive struggles that we see are a direct result of not being able to run the offense as planned.

I'm guessing if the team can get Fournette back and get the running game going as planned where the offense can move the chains and put points on the board we will see the defense shine like they should.  The big key here is that the offense needs to put points on the board and not play from behind.  It's not going to happen throwing more than running.  That's not the way this offense is designed.

(11-02-2018, 03:22 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2018, 01:37 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Does Hackett's offense allow for a TE to even do well in his system? Just a few passes here and there doesn't count.

Hackett needs to go.

I tend to agree tbh.

(11-02-2018, 06:07 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2018, 03:57 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]No one really makes it through smoothly when you are down to a 3rd string never having played LT, LT.   

Not to mention the TE position, which would help mask some of the above issue.  You also are down to a 3rd to 4th stringer there.  These aren't excuses.  We are what we are. 



I think our problems to date are a snowball effect of the above, the weapons we planned on having we don't (you can argue Lee and ASJ would have a marginal effect if you like), a regression of Cole, no other TE contribution at all, our change of pace back who I'm sure we had envisioned a bigger role being out, and LF being out.  

You can coach up to mask some of that, but when your plan has been pretty much cremated from week one on, and then just compounded, it ain't going to be great.

My frustration is that we just kill Bortles, when he has no weapons.  He has fault, to be sure, but man.....it ain't like he's got Manning's weapons.

I agree with you here.

Losing Marquise Lee, ASJ, Fournette being out, LT, role player running back, etc. was just too much to overcome.  If the team was healthy on that side of the ball I think we would have seen a much better outcome from some of these games played.

Quite frankly, I don't think Bortles has played as bad as most on here would say.  Yes he has made some bad plays, but so have a lot of other players.  I think the defensive struggles that we see are a direct result of not being able to run the offense as planned.

I'm guessing if the team can get Fournette back and get the running game going as planned where the offense can move the chains and put points on the board we will see the defense shine like they should.  The big key here is that the offense needs to put points on the board and not play from behind.  It's not going to happen throwing more than running.  That's not the way this offense is designed.

Boprtles has been playing just as bad as everyone else. Last I checked Bortles was leading the league in int's and turnovers.  He is doing the one thing that we can't afford and that is turning the ball over.

Nobody can tell me coaching doesn't matter or sell me "Jimmy's and Joe's not x's and o's" crap after watching Kyle Shanahan make the third string quarterback look like a competent starter. Not only we have Blake Bortles as the qb, we have the Blake Bortles of coordinators too.

(11-02-2018, 11:12 PM)P. Haze Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can tell me coaching doesn't matter or sell me "Jimmy's and Joe's not x's and o's" crap after watching Kyle Shanahan make the third string quarterback look like a competent starter. Not only we have Blake Bortles as the qb, we have the Blake Bortles of coordinators too.

I have to agree. I wanted to bring Shanahan here as a HC, but we chose to stay with Marrone, good or bad. I still think we need a young, offensive minded head coach, but I don't believe we will make a head coaching change anytime soon. I think the best we can do is a new Offensive Coordinator and a guy I would hire to take over the job is Kansas City Chiefs QB Coach Mike Kafka. What he has done with Mahomes is amazing.

(11-02-2018, 11:27 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2018, 11:12 PM)P. Haze Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can tell me coaching doesn't matter or sell me "Jimmy's and Joe's not x's and o's" crap after watching Kyle Shanahan make the third string quarterback look like a competent starter. Not only we have Blake Bortles as the qb, we have the Blake Bortles of coordinators too.

I have to agree. I wanted to bring Shanahan here as a HC, but we chose to stay with Marrone, good or bad. I still think we need a young, offensive minded head coach, but I don't believe we will make a head coaching change anytime soon. I think the best we can do is a new Offensive Coordinator and a guy I would hire to take over the job is Kansas City Chiefs QB Coach Mike Kafka. What he has done with Mahomes is amazing.

Hiring Kafka would be premature imo. Reid deserves the bulk of credit for Mahomes and Kafkas only experience prior to this season is as a quality control assistant. Give him a few more years under Reid and he'll get looks though

Anyone who thinks firing Hackett changes anything has zero clue what they are talking about. Believe me I can't stand Marrone and Wash, but you guys need to understand this offense is so dumbed down because of the QUARTERBACK. He actually made an offense for Blake Bortles. You guys have to understand how ridiculous of a situation that is. Blake can only make a couple throws and can't read a defense to save his life. He throws a go, cross, and screen. When he doesn't he throws it off his OLINE head. There's a reason why sideline routes are gone. It's because his release is so late DBs pick it for 6. Remember those days? He can't properly call out blitzes either, him or Linder. He drags down the playbook so much I can't honestly give an assessment of Hackett.

Marrone and Wash? Oh they trash no doubt.

(11-02-2018, 11:32 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2018, 11:27 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I have to agree. I wanted to bring Shanahan here as a HC, but we chose to stay with Marrone, good or bad. I still think we need a young, offensive minded head coach, but I don't believe we will make a head coaching change anytime soon. I think the best we can do is a new Offensive Coordinator and a guy I would hire to take over the job is Kansas City Chiefs QB Coach Mike Kafka. What he has done with Mahomes is amazing.

Hiring Kafka would be premature imo. Reid deserves the bulk of credit for Mahomes and Kafkas only experience prior to this season is as a quality control assistant. Give him a few more years under Reid and he'll get looks though

I don't wanna wait. By then he might get better offers. I want a young coach with fresh ideas and we need an OC for next season. Hackett's offense is predictable, vanilla and outdated.

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(11-03-2018, 12:08 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who thinks firing Hackett changes anything has zero clue what they are talking about. Believe me I can't stand Marrone and Wash, but you guys need to understand this offense is so dumbed down because of the QUARTERBACK. He actually made an offense for Blake Bortles. You guys have to understand how ridiculous of a situation that is. Blake can only make a couple throws and can't read a defense to save his life. He throws a go, cross, and screen. When he doesn't he throws it off his OLINE head. There's a reason why sideline routes are gone. It's because his release is so late DBs pick it for 6. Remember those days? He can't properly call out blitzes either, him or Linder. He drags down the playbook so much I can't honestly give an assessment of Hackett.

Marrone and Wash? Oh they trash no doubt.

I don't believe this absurdly conservative offense was specifically designed for Bortles. I believe this is just how Hackett designs offenses. If this offense was made for Bortles and they thought he had so many limitations, why did they extend him? That makes no sense. Bortles sucks, but Hackett sucks just as much.

(11-03-2018, 01:08 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2018, 11:32 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Hiring Kafka would be premature imo. Reid deserves the bulk of credit for Mahomes and Kafkas only experience prior to this season is as a quality control assistant. Give him a few more years under Reid and he'll get looks though

I don't wanna wait. By then he might get better offers. I want a young coach with fresh ideas and we need an OC for next season. Hackett's offense is predictable, vanilla and outdated.

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(11-03-2018, 12:08 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who thinks firing Hackett changes anything has zero clue what they are talking about. Believe me I can't stand Marrone and Wash, but you guys need to understand this offense is so dumbed down because of the QUARTERBACK. He actually made an offense for Blake Bortles. You guys have to understand how ridiculous of a situation that is. Blake can only make a couple throws and can't read a defense to save his life. He throws a go, cross, and screen. When he doesn't he throws it off his OLINE head. There's a reason why sideline routes are gone. It's because his release is so late DBs pick it for 6. Remember those days? He can't properly call out blitzes either, him or Linder. He drags down the playbook so much I can't honestly give an assessment of Hackett.

Marrone and Wash? Oh they trash no doubt.

I don't believe this absurdly conservative offense was specifically designed for Bortles. I believe this is just how Hackett designs offenses. If this offense was made for Bortles and they thought he had so many limitations, why did they extend him? That makes no sense. Bortles sucks, but Hackett sucks just as much.

I guarantee you nobody is offering Mike Kafka an OC job after this year. He's a complete novice and there is zero indication he would perform well. Now is not the time to hire someone to learn on the job and next year I doubt Marrone will be in a situation to do it either.

There are better candidates around , and ones that come with less risk too.

(11-03-2018, 01:46 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-03-2018, 01:08 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I don't wanna wait. By then he might get better offers. I want a young coach with fresh ideas and we need an OC for next season. Hackett's offense is predictable, vanilla and outdated.

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I don't believe this absurdly conservative offense was specifically designed for Bortles. I believe this is just how Hackett designs offenses. If this offense was made for Bortles and they thought he had so many limitations, why did they extend him? That makes no sense. Bortles sucks, but Hackett sucks just as much.

I guarantee you nobody is offering Mike Kafka an OC job after this year. He's a complete novice and there is zero indication he would perform well. Now is not the time to hire someone to learn on the job and next year I doubt Marrone will be in a situation to do it either.  

There are better candidates around , and ones that come with less risk too.

I don't want anyone with OC experience. That's what we always do, pull someone off the scrap heap and it never works out. I want someone fresh, with new ideas. If I had my way, I'd fire Marrone and hire Jim Bob Cooter as HC.

I trust Caldwell more than anybody posting on this site, that's for damn sure LOL.

(11-02-2018, 06:20 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2018, 06:07 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with you here.

Losing Marquise Lee, ASJ, Fournette being out, LT, role player running back, etc. was just too much to overcome.  If the team was healthy on that side of the ball I think we would have seen a much better outcome from some of these games played.

Quite frankly, I don't think Bortles has played as bad as most on here would say.  Yes he has made some bad plays, but so have a lot of other players.  I think the defensive struggles that we see are a direct result of not being able to run the offense as planned.

I'm guessing if the team can get Fournette back and get the running game going as planned where the offense can move the chains and put points on the board we will see the defense shine like they should.  The big key here is that the offense needs to put points on the board and not play from behind.  It's not going to happen throwing more than running.  That's not the way this offense is designed.

Boprtles has been playing just as bad as everyone else. Last I checked Bortles was leading the league in int's and turnovers.  He is doing the one thing that we can't afford and that is turning the ball over.

You need to check again.  What's interesting to note is that he has thrown only 1 more interception (8) than both Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger (7) this season.