(10-29-2018, 08:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](10-29-2018, 08:27 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have the article, but it was actually on the teams official website in an article. It sited that the Smoot selection was "TC's pick".I have a hard time believing that. I was glued to everything that site released during the draft.
(10-29-2018, 11:12 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Rob Johnson, Jonathan Quinn, David Garrard, Phillip Rivers/Eli Manning, Andre Woodson, Brett Romar, Ryan Nassib, Blake Bortles, Brandon Allen, Tanner Lee.
That's Coughlin and Caldwell's entire combined QB draft history while they've been HC/GM. Even considering that most of those are mid/late picks, why on god's green earth would you trust them to take another swing at drafting another QB.
(10-29-2018, 09:12 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](10-29-2018, 09:05 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Couldn't agree more, but this can't be expected till after next season. No respectable coach/GM will take on Bortles. Full house clean after 2019.
I'm just saying, if you think getting rid of Caldwell is the answer, you're wrong. They all need to go if that's the case.
(10-30-2018, 01:48 AM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ](10-29-2018, 09:12 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just saying, if you think getting rid of Caldwell is the answer, you're wrong. They all need to go if that's the case.
TC didnt hire Caldwell, though. He either gets fired next year or he is forced to fire Marrone. One of them needs to go.
(10-30-2018, 01:54 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 01:48 AM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]TC didnt hire Caldwell, though. He either gets fired next year or he is forced to fire Marrone. One of them needs to go.
Coughlin has been over looking this team for at least 2 years now.. If you think he isn't at fault as well, then you're an idiot. Plain and simple.
Mainly, you're an idiot.
(10-30-2018, 02:03 AM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 01:54 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Coughlin has been over looking this team for at least 2 years now.. If you think he isn't at fault as well, then you're an idiot. Plain and simple.
Mainly, you're an idiot.
Well someone needs to be gone. Caldwell/Marrone gets my vote. Caldwell hired a retread coach that was a failure, and drafted Bortles. Plain and simple. TC wasnt here when those decisions were made.
(10-30-2018, 12:55 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](10-29-2018, 11:12 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Rob Johnson, Jonathan Quinn, David Garrard, Phillip Rivers/Eli Manning, Andre Woodson, Brett Romar, Ryan Nassib, Blake Bortles, Brandon Allen, Tanner Lee.
That's Coughlin and Caldwell's entire combined QB draft history while they've been HC/GM. Even considering that most of those are mid/late picks, why on god's green earth would you trust them to take another swing at drafting another QB.
Johnson 4th round. Quinn late 3rd. Garrard 4th round pick.. Rivers/Eli we know that story. Woodson 6th round.
Do you mean Rhett Bomar... He was 5th round pick... Ryan Nassib, 4th round pick. Bortles yea #3 overall pick.
Brandon Allen 6th round pick.. Tanner Lee 6th round pick...
You really need to stop reaching dude... 2/3's of those picks are 4th round or later and this Upper guy is acting like they're a bunch of 1st or 2nd round picks.....
(10-30-2018, 07:33 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]TC didnt bring anyting. Discipline ? Nope. Winning ? Nope. Good draft ? Nope.
Blake contract has been extended under TC.
Last season was successfull : TC is great !
This season is a mess : Caldwell sucks !
(10-30-2018, 01:54 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 01:48 AM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]TC didnt hire Caldwell, though. He either gets fired next year or he is forced to fire Marrone. One of them needs to go.
Coughlin has been over looking this team for at least 2 years now.. If you think he isn't at fault as well, then you're an idiot. Plain and simple.
Mainly, you're an idiot.
(10-29-2018, 07:29 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, Dave had Blake coming off a terrible third season and was on the clock with a QB who had top of the charts traits in damn near every category and he ignored him to take a running back. Another Mahomes could be staring him in the face and he'll just as likely go for the guy with "mean intentions" again.
(10-30-2018, 10:00 AM)CAPTAIN Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 01:54 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Coughlin has been over looking this team for at least 2 years now.. If you think he isn't at fault as well, then you're an idiot. Plain and simple.
Mainly, you're an idiot.
You are an idiot.
Dave has been [BLEEP] the bed for more than half a decade while TC just came along last year.
To hold TC culpable for what’s going on is foolish.
(10-30-2018, 11:37 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on where the team finishes this year and how they fall in next year's draft pick wise. QB wise you're hearing a lot about Justin Herbert out of Oregon but he's being considered THE number one pick already. More than likely landing with the Giants.
Unless they trade up to get him we'll have to settle on either moving up into RD1 later on that night or hoping someone is there in RD2. Maybe Drew Lock out of Missouri or Ryan Finley out of NC State. Personally, I like Finley between those two. He's more accurate. Protects the football. He really manages the game well and doesn't seem to make too many hasty decisions.
Finley would be a fair pick-up if the front office manages to keep the majority of the defense intact in 2019.
(10-29-2018, 07:40 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ](10-29-2018, 02:34 PM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]As mentioned above.....draft choices have to pass TC's approval.
Caldwell seems to do better working out trades.....but still...its with TC's ok.
I remember after the 2017 draft, it was revealed that TC was the one who was leading the call to draft Smoot, when we had a huge need at OG and Dan Feeney was still on the board. Look how that turned out. Feeney is the starting LG for the Chargers, one of the best offenses in the NFL and Smoot is a healthy scratch every week. I don't trust Caldwell or TC.
(10-29-2018, 11:30 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ](10-29-2018, 07:40 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I remember after the 2017 draft, it was revealed that TC was the one who was leading the call to draft Smoot, when we had a huge need at OG and Dan Feeney was still on the board. Look how that turned out. Feeney is the starting LG for the Chargers, one of the best offenses in the NFL and Smoot is a healthy scratch every week. I don't trust Caldwell or TC.
I thought Caldwell said he had Smoot far and away the beast play on the board so they took him
(10-30-2018, 12:23 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 10:00 AM)CAPTAIN Wrote: [ -> ]You are an idiot.
Dave has been [BLEEP] the bed for more than half a decade while TC just came along last year.
To hold TC culpable for what’s going on is foolish.
To NOT hold TC culpable for any of it is foolish to be real.
2 off seasons Coughlin has been with this team.
Hired to oversee all football operations as Khan had felt his lack of football knowledge perhaps was hindering some proper football moves from being made.
TC comes in (after also interviewing for HC it was reported) and we draft Fournette top 5, Smoot in the 3rd, landed a few expensive free agents, some of which well worth their money, some maybe not so much, and we have some success and instead of addressing the elephant in the room, we double down on it and extend Bortles, draft a DT/DE in the first, and essentially stand pat on offense (some could argue we got worse at WR at this point)
How is NONE of that on Coughlin?
There is plenty of blame to go around. If we're getting rid of people, probably should get rid of all of them.
That being said... it's very possible the injuries buy all 3 men the time to fulfill their contracts through 2019... and in which case we'll likely see a shake up at OC or DC, because someone has to be the fall guy.
(It should be Bortles [the fall guy]... these guys in theory could save all of their jobs by making the shrewd but correct off season moves)
(10-30-2018, 11:37 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on where the team finishes this year and how they fall in next year's draft pick wise. QB wise you're hearing a lot about Justin Herbert out of Oregon but he's being considered THE number one pick already. More than likely landing with the Giants.
Unless they trade up to get him we'll have to settle on either moving up into RD1 later on that night or hoping someone is there in RD2. Maybe Drew Lock out of Missouri or Ryan Finley out of NC State. Personally, I like Finley between those two. He's more accurate. Protects the football. He really manages the game well and doesn't seem to make too many hasty decisions.
Finley would be a fair pick-up if the front office manages to keep the majority of the defense intact in 2019.
I like Finley too.
I think Lock probably goes in the first, but in the 2nd I'd like to pull the trigger on a guy like that if he were to slip.
But I get the feeling Caldwell would trade up to take Lock...
I don't trust this front office to make the right move because they haven't given much reason to trust them. Caldwell or Coughlin.
As it stands now Herbert is probably #1 overall, top 3 for sure.
Finley is probably the 2nd 1st round QB, imo. Haskins is a possibility too.
Recent trends have me cooling on Lock and Grier slightly, but I'd still take them late 1st or anywhere in the 2nd honestly.
I suspect if Caldwell is given another year, he triples down on Bortles.
If Caldwell is fired and it is on Coughlin with this coach staff it could get interesting.
If they clean house, I imagine the new blood would be aggressive in getting "his guy". Which would give me hope to get any QB really (outside of NYG owning the first pick)
(10-30-2018, 11:58 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ](10-29-2018, 07:29 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, Dave had Blake coming off a terrible third season and was on the clock with a QB who had top of the charts traits in damn near every category and he ignored him to take a running back. Another Mahomes could be staring him in the face and he'll just as likely go for the guy with "mean intentions" again.
It's possible that Caldwell was behind the choice, but the Fournette pick has Coughlin written all over it. And I still question whether or not Mahomes would have turned out as good under a different coaching staff. Several teams passed on Mahomes, not just the Jags.
My biggest gripe with Caldwell is not his player selection, it's his inability to trade down. He won't initiate a call in that regard; he just waits for another team to call. In every draft but 2016 the top players available were not good value for the Jags. In some of those drafts the next team up did trade down, so it's reasonable to assume that the Jags could have gotten the same deal for the pick one slot higher.
(10-30-2018, 06:14 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]I think Fournette was definitely a Couglin pick. Mahomes would of been great but Fournette would be a good pick if he can stay healthy(10-30-2018, 11:58 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]It's possible that Caldwell was behind the choice, but the Fournette pick has Coughlin written all over it. And I still question whether or not Mahomes would have turned out as good under a different coaching staff. Several teams passed on Mahomes, not just the Jags.
My biggest gripe with Caldwell is not his player selection, it's his inability to trade down. He won't initiate a call in that regard; he just waits for another team to call. In every draft but 2016 the top players available were not good value for the Jags. In some of those drafts the next team up did trade down, so it's reasonable to assume that the Jags could have gotten the same deal for the pick one slot higher.
Was there any doubt that Fournette was a Coughlin pick. Everything about that pick screamed Coughlin. A big back with speed is exactly what Tom likes. Its to bad hes super injury prone, I was worried about the injuries when he was drafted, but they have played out worse than expected this season. Hopefully he makes up for lost time when hes back.