(11-03-2018, 01:08 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 11:32 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Hiring Kafka would be premature imo. Reid deserves the bulk of credit for Mahomes and Kafkas only experience prior to this season is as a quality control assistant. Give him a few more years under Reid and he'll get looks though
I don't wanna wait. By then he might get better offers. I want a young coach with fresh ideas and we need an OC for next season. Hackett's offense is predictable, vanilla and outdated.
(11-03-2018, 12:08 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone who thinks firing Hackett changes anything has zero clue what they are talking about. Believe me I can't stand Marrone and Wash, but you guys need to understand this offense is so dumbed down because of the QUARTERBACK. He actually made an offense for Blake Bortles. You guys have to understand how ridiculous of a situation that is. Blake can only make a couple throws and can't read a defense to save his life. He throws a go, cross, and screen. When he doesn't he throws it off his OLINE head. There's a reason why sideline routes are gone. It's because his release is so late DBs pick it for 6. Remember those days? He can't properly call out blitzes either, him or Linder. He drags down the playbook so much I can't honestly give an assessment of Hackett.
Marrone and Wash? Oh they trash no doubt.
I don't believe this absurdly conservative offense was specifically designed for Bortles. I believe this is just how Hackett designs offenses. If this offense was made for Bortles and they thought he had so many limitations, why did they extend him? That makes no sense. Bortles sucks, but Hackett sucks just as much.
The offense was designed for LF27. Pure and simple. It's insane to me that Marrone is so out of touch with the times, but it is what it is.
(11-03-2018, 05:50 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 06:20 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Boprtles has been playing just as bad as everyone else. Last I checked Bortles was leading the league in int's and turnovers. He is doing the one thing that we can't afford and that is turning the ball over.
You need to check again. What's interesting to note is that he has thrown only 1 more interception (8) than both Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger (7) this season.
Yep, the fumbles are the result of breakdowns not entirely the QBs fault. But Blamers goin' blame.
(11-03-2018, 05:50 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2018, 06:20 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Boprtles has been playing just as bad as everyone else. Last I checked Bortles was leading the league in int's and turnovers. He is doing the one thing that we can't afford and that is turning the ball over.
You need to check again. What's interesting to note is that he has thrown only 1 more interception (8) than both Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger (7) this season.
You're comparing Bortles to Brady and Roethlisberger with a single statistic in an effort to do what? Excuse his inadequacies? Suggest that he's been as effective as they have this season? His name doesn't belong with theirs in
any discussion.
(11-03-2018, 03:42 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 01:46 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I guarantee you nobody is offering Mike Kafka an OC job after this year. He's a complete novice and there is zero indication he would perform well. Now is not the time to hire someone to learn on the job and next year I doubt Marrone will be in a situation to do it either.
There are better candidates around , and ones that come with less risk too.
I don't want anyone with OC experience. That's what we always do, pull someone off the scrap heap and it never works out. I want someone fresh, with new ideas. If I had my way, I'd fire Marrone and hire Jim Bob Cooter as HC.
JBC is currently an offensive coordinator.
(11-03-2018, 08:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 03:42 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I don't want anyone with OC experience. That's what we always do, pull someone off the scrap heap and it never works out. I want someone fresh, with new ideas. If I had my way, I'd fire Marrone and hire Jim Bob Cooter as HC.
JBC is currently an offensive coordinator.
I know. I meant I don't want anyone with OC to be the OC, or a HC with HC experience. I'd take Cooter to be a HC, because it's a step up from his OC position. I just don't want any re-treads. I like to promote guys into new positions and see what they bring to the table.
(11-03-2018, 04:56 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I trust Caldwell more than anybody posting on this site, that's for damn sure LOL.
I don't. He proved he can't be trusted when he extended Bortles. Now, we're stuck with a bad QB who who is doing nothing but eating up a large portion of our cap money, for at least another year.
(11-03-2018, 09:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 04:56 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I trust Caldwell more than anybody posting on this site, that's for damn sure LOL.
I don't. He proved he can't be trusted when he extended Bortles. Now, we're stuck with a bad QB who who is doing nothing but eating up a large portion of our cap money, for at least another year.
I don't fault people who want to hold Bortles' extension against Caldwell, even if I can point to why "I get it." No need to rehash all of that now.
However - your second sentence is a little over the top. They are only saddled with Blake for one more year before the out clause in his contract comes up. Eating his salary in 2019 isn't the end of the world. His cap hit for the Jags is 19th in the league in expense, so let's pump the brakes on all this big money talk a bit. There are 18 teams taking a bigger cap hit from their QBs next year. After that - he's gone.
Blake's cap hit is irrelevant. It won't matter at all if they draft a rookie to be the franchise, if they want to keep some defensive players around and plan to dump Bortles in 2020 they can just push money out a bit. My guess is they dump a lot of defensive salary this off-season though. Possibly two or three from Dareus, Church, Malik and Campbell. That's a lot of talent to lose, but also a lot of money freed up. If they can find a franchise QB that'll be fine, though, because they won't have to worry about holding every opponent under 20 points.
(11-03-2018, 09:58 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Blake's cap hit is irrelevant. It won't matter at all if they draft a rookie to be the franchise, if they want to keep some defensive players around and plan to dump Bortles in 2020 they can just push money out a bit. My guess is they dump a lot of defensive salary this off-season though. Possibly two or three from Dareus, Church, Malik and Campbell. That's a lot of talent to lose, but also a lot of money freed up. If they can find a franchise QB that'll be fine, though, because they won't have to worry about holding every opponent under 20 points.
I don't think it's irrelevant because it stretches the cap a bit in 2019 and they could use that money to add mid tier free agents for O-line depth and other roster maintenance.
Regarding 2020 salary cap health and defensive cap clearing:
Church being waived is almost a given as his replacement is already on the roster in Harrison.
Dareus makes some sense to cut as he's not really having a major impact on the run defense this season so far. Unless he re-structures - it's tough to justify his salary.
Malik and Campbell are likely staying put unless Campbell has a major drop in performance or Jackson has a career impacting injury. Maybe they ask Campbell to restructure, but I don't think they want to move on from him yet.
(11-03-2018, 04:56 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I trust Caldwell more than anybody posting on this site, that's for damn sure LOL.
You need your head examined.
(11-03-2018, 09:42 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 08:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]JBC is currently an offensive coordinator.
I know. I meant I don't want anyone with OC to be the OC, or a HC with HC experience. I'd take Cooter to be a HC, because it's a step up from his OC position. I just don't want any re-treads. I like to promote guys into new positions and see what they bring to the table.
Unless you have the HC running the offense ala McVay or Shanny I think it's better to have an OC who has proven he can run an offense at the NFL level or college and has experience calling plays.
The last thing you want is someone totally new to the position winging it when you are in win now. It's not like Andy Reid where he can just pluck new guys into roles becusxe he's such a talented offensive mind and HC.
We need to offer Josh McDaniels a contract like Grudem got.
(11-03-2018, 10:09 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 09:58 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Blake's cap hit is irrelevant. It won't matter at all if they draft a rookie to be the franchise, if they want to keep some defensive players around and plan to dump Bortles in 2020 they can just push money out a bit. My guess is they dump a lot of defensive salary this off-season though. Possibly two or three from Dareus, Church, Malik and Campbell. That's a lot of talent to lose, but also a lot of money freed up. If they can find a franchise QB that'll be fine, though, because they won't have to worry about holding every opponent under 20 points.
I don't think it's irrelevant because it stretches the cap a bit in 2019 and they could use that money to add mid tier free agents for O-line depth and other roster maintenance.
Regarding 2020 salary cap health and defensive cap clearing:
Church being waived is almost a given as his replacement is already on the roster in Harrison.
Dareus makes some sense to cut as he's not really having a major impact on the run defense this season so far. Unless he re-structures - it's tough to justify his salary.
Malik and Campbell are likely staying put unless Campbell has a major drop in performance or Jackson has a career impacting injury. Maybe they ask Campbell to restructure, but I don't think they want to move on from him yet.
Dareus is our best defender against the run along with Campbell. Jackson and Jones are the guys not holding up in the run along with our LBs taking bad angles along with Church. You say it's tough to justify his salary bit then you say Jackson will probably stay who makes 5 mil more than Dareus lol. Jackson has always got pushed around against, with all that said I think Campbell, Jackson, and Dareus all stay 1 more year.
(11-03-2018, 11:35 AM)CAPTAIN Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 04:56 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I trust Caldwell more than anybody posting on this site, that's for damn sure LOL.
You need your head examined.
Aye it's my biggest fan ^
(11-03-2018, 05:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 10:09 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it's irrelevant because it stretches the cap a bit in 2019 and they could use that money to add mid tier free agents for O-line depth and other roster maintenance.
Regarding 2020 salary cap health and defensive cap clearing:
Church being waived is almost a given as his replacement is already on the roster in Harrison.
Dareus makes some sense to cut as he's not really having a major impact on the run defense this season so far. Unless he re-structures - it's tough to justify his salary.
Malik and Campbell are likely staying put unless Campbell has a major drop in performance or Jackson has a career impacting injury. Maybe they ask Campbell to restructure, but I don't think they want to move on from him yet.
Dareus is our best defender against the run along with Campbell. Jackson and Jones are the guys not holding up in the run along with our LBs taking bad angles along with Church. You say it's tough to justify his salary bit then you say Jackson will probably stay who makes 5 mil more than Dareus lol. Jackson has always got pushed around against, with all that said I think Campbell, Jackson, and Dareus all stay 1 more year.
Yeah. I know what I said LOL.
My guesses on who they keep are based upon Jackson’s value as a pass rushing 3tech and whether Dareus’ impact vs the run is worth his salary next year.
I think the team may value Jackson’s contribution on passing downs more than Dareus’ contribution on run downs.
Jackson’s run D is important, but secondary to what he brings as an interior pass rusher.
I hope you’re right about all three staying put.
(11-03-2018, 05:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 05:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Dareus is our best defender against the run along with Campbell. Jackson and Jones are the guys not holding up in the run along with our LBs taking bad angles along with Church. You say it's tough to justify his salary bit then you say Jackson will probably stay who makes 5 mil more than Dareus lol. Jackson has always got pushed around against, with all that said I think Campbell, Jackson, and Dareus all stay 1 more year.
Yeah. I know what I said LOL.
My guesses on who they keep are based upon Jackson’s value as a pass rushing 3tech and whether Dareus’ impact vs the run is worth his salary next year.
I think the team may value Jackson’s contribution on passing downs more than Dareus’ contribution on run downs.
Jackson’s run D is important, but secondary to what he brings as an interior pass rusher.
I hope you’re right about all three staying put.
It was questionable if you knew what you said. Dareus has been the better pass rusher as well this year imo. I see Dareus in the backfield more than I have Jackson.
(11-03-2018, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 05:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. I know what I said LOL.
My guesses on who they keep are based upon Jackson’s value as a pass rushing 3tech and whether Dareus’ impact vs the run is worth his salary next year.
I think the team may value Jackson’s contribution on passing downs more than Dareus’ contribution on run downs.
Jackson’s run D is important, but secondary to what he brings as an interior pass rusher.
I hope you’re right about all three staying put.
It was questionable if you knew what you said. Dareus has been the better pass rusher as well this year imo. I see Dareus in the backfield more than I have Jackson.
Malik was #7 in the league for interior pressure 2 games ago.
I think Dareus has been better overall this year but as a pass rusher Malik is ahead.
(11-03-2018, 06:15 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It was questionable if you knew what you said. Dareus has been the better pass rusher as well this year imo. I see Dareus in the backfield more than I have Jackson.
Malik was #7 in the league for interior pressure 2 games ago.
I think Dareus has been better overall this year but as a pass rusher Malik is ahead.
Can you post the link for the interior pressure rankings?
(11-03-2018, 09:51 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2018, 09:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I don't. He proved he can't be trusted when he extended Bortles. Now, we're stuck with a bad QB who who is doing nothing but eating up a large portion of our cap money, for at least another year.
I don't fault people who want to hold Bortles' extension against Caldwell, even if I can point to why "I get it." No need to rehash all of that now.
However - your second sentence is a little over the top. They are only saddled with Blake for one more year before the out clause in his contract comes up. Eating his salary in 2019 isn't the end of the world. His cap hit for the Jags is 19th in the league in expense, so let's pump the brakes on all this big money talk a bit. There are 18 teams taking a bigger cap hit from their QBs next year. After that - he's gone.
And those guys are probably playing decently, while Bortles is actually hindering us. That is the difference.