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Kessler is a career backup. Period. Blake may be right behind him, still has more upside.....

Nothing else to evaluate....

(12-11-2018, 09:06 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Who cares about arm strength?

I’ve never seen Blake just launch a ball 60 yards down field.

Pretty much anyone who has ever been paid to evaluate QB's.  And I'm not sure bringing up Blake as an example of a guy who doesn't have a strong arm would bolster one's argument. 

Didn't we have a similar debate in another thread?  Arm strength is one of many desirable attributes in a QB.  Not many QBs have all the desirable attributes you want.  And the weaker you are in one, the stronger you have to be in others to make up for it.  Being able to throw a ball 100 yards doesnt matter at all if you cant hit the broad side of the barn.  Being the most pin point accurate thrower doesnt matter at all if you cant throw it 20 yards.  Kessler isnt a big guy, isnt overally mobile, and doesnt have a strong arm.  If the guy wasn't accurate he wouldnt have a prayer of being in the league, even as a backup.  But maybe the guy has Drew Brees like accuracy and ability to read defenses which will allow him to make up for other areas where he lacks.  I guess we'll find out the rest of this year if he has it or not.

People who are sick of Blake or just flat out don't like him should be wary of going too far and hitching their wagon to Kessler.

(12-11-2018, 09:06 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2018, 07:03 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]You're right. But that isn't an illustration of arm strength.

Who cares about arm strength?

I’ve never seen Blake just launch a ball 60 yards down field.

Arm srength isn’t just about how far you can throw it. It’s can you get it out in front of a receiver flat footed, on the run, etc. can you get it to the flats with zip. Fast ball into a tight window. Kesslers longest career pass play is 35 yards! LOL Any throw he makes is in slow motion. As horrible as Blake is at reading defenses, weak arm has not been the issue.

I saw Kessler throw a dart in the Titans game while he was scrambling to the right and just before he went out of bounds. On an earlier play he scrambled and had to throw across his body yet delivered a spiral for a completion and decent yardage. So, yeah, Kessler can extend plays. That is high quality stuff. Especially considering the circumstances-rookie play caller, zero protection, second week of practice with the first team, lackluster defense, drives stymied by holding penalties.

He busted at the Browns for whatever reason. Got signed to us as a backup. Has two games on tape with the Jaguars. Had a better game in the one he lost as far as showcasing his ability to read defenses and deliver the balls to receivers. Did enough to get the badly needed win to end a losing streak.

Kessler has earned my respect. I believe he could be invaluable if he proves good enough to be our starter until we find a high quality replacement be it through FA or the Draft.


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(12-09-2018, 04:31 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]weak arm? 


http://www.nfl.com/videos/jacksonville-j...r-35-yards

An extremely rare glimpse of Kessler's deep game with the 35-yard completion. Of course, he still has a goose egg this season in the 40+ yard column. 

(12-10-2018, 06:52 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2018, 10:47 AM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]This is pretty much what I'm talking about. "Bottom line" and "never been that type of QB" are not fair things to say about a 25 year old QB with 10 career starts. He is clearly still developing as a player, we shouldn't rush to judge him as a finished product.

I wrote that he has never been that type of QB in regards to his college years. His thing was always to move the ball efficiently and not to turn it over, so pretty much what he is known for right now (conservative). That is also why I said that if he gains more confidence or somehow starts taking more risks, id be happy, but even with his small sample size in the NFL it is fairly obvious that he is a QB that values the safer throw over what might be a bigger play at this point in his career. Idk how much a 25 yo can really develop, surely there is a routine and experience that can help with certain improvements, but idk how much the understanding and philosophy can be drastically changed. What is important to consider is our coaching team's gameplan, i doubt that we would see Kessler become a more aggressive QB under Marrone and this whole "run first" offense. I hope that TC recognizes that we need a more pass heavy scheme and Marrone needs to start changing his ways quick if he wants to be the guy.

The Seahawks, Ravens, Cowboys, Texans, Panthers and Rams are making the run-first approach work just fine.

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(12-11-2018, 09:41 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Why in the world are we evaluating Kessler?  He never has been, or never will be, 'the answer' for any team at QB.  The guy is a career backup and will continue to be so.  

The only thing they might be evaluating him for, is being a placeholder for whomever we draft next year.

Bingo!

I'd personally like to see them keep Bortles as the "placeholder" until a rookie is ready considering how much we'd be paying for him even if he's released.

(12-11-2018, 04:25 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2018, 06:52 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ]I wrote that he has never been that type of QB in regards to his college years. His thing was always to move the ball efficiently and not to turn it over, so pretty much what he is known for right now (conservative). That is also why I said that if he gains more confidence or somehow starts taking more risks, id be happy, but even with his small sample size in the NFL it is fairly obvious that he is a QB that values the safer throw over what might be a bigger play at this point in his career. Idk how much a 25 yo can really develop, surely there is a routine and experience that can help with certain improvements, but idk how much the understanding and philosophy can be drastically changed. What is important to consider is our coaching team's gameplan, i doubt that we would see Kessler become a more aggressive QB under Marrone and this whole "run first" offense. I hope that TC recognizes that we need a more pass heavy scheme and Marrone needs to start changing his ways quick if he wants to be the guy.

The Seahawks, Ravens, Cowboys, Texans, Panthers and Rams are making the run-first approach work just fine.

Just for perspective - all of those teams except Seattle are passing more than the Jags did last season  - and the LAR and panthers are merely middle of the league in run percentage this year. Those two aren't really run first teams. 
They are kind of the new definition of "balance" by passing about 58-59% of the time.

I think a 58-59% passing percentage could be a good target for the Jags if the next OC can establish a run game better than they could in 2018.

(12-11-2018, 04:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2018, 04:25 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]The Seahawks, Ravens, Cowboys, Texans, Panthers and Rams are making the run-first approach work just fine.

Just for perspective - all of those teams except Seattle are passing more than the Jags did last season  - and the LAR and panthers are merely middle of the league in run percentage this year. Those two aren't really run first teams. 
They are kind of the new definition of "balance" by passing about 58-59% of the time.

I think a 58-59% passing percentage could be a good target for the Jags if the next OC can establish a run game better than they could in 2018.

Numbers aside, when you watch the Panthers and Rams play they definitely at least attempt to establish the run first. The Rams past game against the Bears is a bad exaple, but usually they're giving Gurley all he can handle out of the gate. It also shows in the leader stats as the Panthers have the 2nd best rush offense and the Rams have the 5th best rush offense.

Arm strength in the NFL is 99% velocity, not how far you can chuck a hail mary....

(12-10-2018, 10:22 PM)Rooster Wrote: [ -> ]Kessler evaluation..better draft a QB in the first round in a division with Watson.

Fixed your post or FYP for short

(12-11-2018, 04:17 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2018, 04:31 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]weak arm? 


http://www.nfl.com/videos/jacksonville-j...r-35-yards

An extremely rare glimpse of Kessler's deep game with the 35-yard completion. Of course, he still has a goose egg this season in the 40+ yard column. 

The guy has played 2 games as a Jag.  What is suppose to do? Throw 80 yards bombs every game?  Put your expectations in check.

If you are a Blake apologist, I pity you.   Blake is and never will be a Franchise QB for any team.   Time to evaluate the future.  Kessler I beleive has done well with the personal he is playing with.

(12-11-2018, 07:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2018, 04:17 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]An extremely rare glimpse of Kessler's deep game with the 35-yard completion. Of course, he still has a goose egg this season in the 40+ yard column. 

The guy has played 2 games as a Jag.  What is suppose to do? Throw 80 yards bombs every game?  Put your expectations in check.

If you are a Blake apologist, I pity you.   Blake is and never will be a Franchise QB for any team.   Time to evaluate the future.  Kessler I beleive has done well with the personal he is playing with.

Ok, good point, although he's never a 40+ yard play since his 2016 rookie season.

(12-09-2018, 04:31 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]weak arm? 


http://www.nfl.com/videos/jacksonville-j...r-35-yards

You do realize that the kind of pass you've used to back up the arm strength thing here doesn't actually require arm strength beyond the average QB.  

Where the arm strength issues become more glaring is when he's got to zip a pass into short/intermediate range receivers.  Kessler has an adequate arm, but nothing terribly impressive.  He's not a guy who is going to throw into tight windows with any real velocity.  

I think the general premise of this entire thread is a little bit of overthinking.  Kessler starting these last few games, at best, will possibly secure him the backup role in Jacksonville.  A lot depends on what veteran QBs might be available for this team once the season is over.  It's quite possible that neither of the QBs currently on the roster will be here next year.  Of the two, Kessler has the best odds of being back if he does well the rest of the way, but I think the team will probably look for a veteran who can start the season as our starter, and then draft the guy that will be their long-term solution.

Doesn't an OL have to block longer than 1.8 seconds to get a pass downfield 40 plus yards?

Asking for a friend.

For reference... a fast 40 time is like 4 seconds... with nothing on... straight... with no defense on you.

(12-13-2018, 01:39 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't an OL have to block longer than 1.8 seconds to get a pass downfield 40 plus yards?

Asking for a friend.

For reference... a fast 40 time is like 4 seconds... with nothing on... straight... with no defense on you.

Very good point.

In my eyes, Kessler is an option until he is not. 

+Guy is accurate

+The Guy is tough.  This line has allowed him to take some major hits and he keeps getting up

+Decent Arm: He has some zip on the ball and has thrown some nice deep balls

I want to see more of Kessler behind a decent offensive line and some receiving threats.   It's hard to throw it 40+ yards when most of the time the QB has less than 3 seconds in the pocket.

Cody is a hidden gem.  You gotta trust Hue Jackson and the former Browns GM on this one  --- of course, both were fired (Brown in 2017 and Jackson in 2018) but they know QBs

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s...ns_qb.html

Cody Kessler's scouting report
When the Browns drafted Cody Kessler in the third round of the NFL Draft earlier this year, many observers considered it too high. While his stats at USC were impressive, the knock was that he didn’t have the measurables of many other quarterbacks in the draft.

“I understand where everybody is coming from,” Hue Jackson said in April, “but you’ve got to trust me on this one.” 

Sashi Brown, Browns V.P. of football operations, said, “Cody is a guy that I would not want to sleep on if I were a quarterback wanting to be the starting quarterback of the Browns.”

I actually like what I have seen in Kessler so far. Give him some good pass protection and a couple of decent receivers and I think he could be something.

Kessler will be lucky to get another start. This has turned from a poor offence to possibly the worst in franchise history

Guy is terrible.

Kessler was absolutely perfect today.