Kesslers not good.
Blake isn’t good.
One QB will be paid 21 million if he stays on the team....
No one has ever claimed Kessler is the future but neither is Blake. We are having a whole new QB room next year. I’m ready.
Simple eval...straight garbage. Not an NFL QB.
I was dismayed that the bib brigade got their way and Kessler was inserted into the lineup at first. However I now see it was the correct move, it's quite likely Bortles would have scored more than one garbage time touchdown in the last three games and led the team to a win somehow, screwing up the draft position.
Kessler is doing what needs to be done, making the offense completely inept and making sure the Jaguars have their best shot at a QB in the draft.
I'm just disappointed the team also got rid of Hackett, he was not the problem.
(12-15-2018, 10:17 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I actually like what I have seen in Kessler so far. Give him some good pass protection and a couple of decent receivers and I think he could be something.
(12-16-2018, 05:23 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]They both sucks. Bortles may be better but he is still a turd. No need to risk bortles getting hurt and risk owing him more money. Let kessler finish the season and find the real answer in the offseasons.
(12-16-2018, 05:32 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I was willing to give Kessler a chance but he has 0 awareness. He missed too many open throws today as well.
LOL
At best, Kessler was auditioning for the backup role here next year. Other than throwing a spiral, there was nothing more we should have been expecting here.
My sense is that you're giong to have an entirely new QB room next year, and Kessler MIGHT make it to training camp, but he won't be on the opening day roster. The team is going to sign a vet and draft for the future.
(12-17-2018, 08:47 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I was dismayed that the bib brigade got their way and Kessler was inserted into the lineup at first. However I now see it was the correct move, it's quite likely Bortles would have scored more than one garbage time touchdown in the last three games and led the team to a win somehow, screwing up the draft position.
Kessler is doing what needs to be done, making the offense completely inept and making sure the Jaguars have their best shot at a QB in the draft.
I'm just disappointed the team also got rid of Hackett, he was not the problem.
I think Kessler getting the starting gig was less about playing the best option to win as it is to stop playing a guy who has clearly failed to live up to any expectations. When they fired Hackett, they were waving the white flag on the Bortles experiment. Starting Kessler was nothing more than finally admitting they missed on Bortles. My suspicion is that Marrone might have pulled the plug on that sooner, but he unfortunately had to deal with Caldwell. I think the benching of Bortles signaled to anyone paying attention that not only is Bortles done in Jacksonville, but so is the guy who drafted him. Bortles may still be the best option to win, but at this point, winning does nothing to help this team. When the dust settles, Bortles may be the reason for multiple offensive coordinators, and possibly 3 head coaches being dumped.
Dang FBT... I didn't think about 3 head coaches being present during the Bleak Error for this franchise. That is staggering to think about.
(12-17-2018, 09:35 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Dang FBT... I didn't think about 3 head coaches being present during the Bleak Error for this franchise. That is staggering to think about.
Toss in the OCs and QB coaches too. Bortles is a coach killer. I really wanted to see this guy succeed here, but he managed to undermine that every chance he got.
(12-17-2018, 09:51 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 09:35 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Dang FBT... I didn't think about 3 head coaches being present during the Bleak Error for this franchise. That is staggering to think about.
Toss in the OCs and QB coaches too. Bortles is a coach killer. I really wanted to see this guy succeed here, but he managed to undermine that every chance he got.
Get ready for people to come in here and say the coaches killed Blake. It's everyones fault except for Blake.
(12-17-2018, 09:51 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 09:35 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Dang FBT... I didn't think about 3 head coaches being present during the Bleak Error for this franchise. That is staggering to think about.
Toss in the OCs and QB coaches too. Bortles is a coach killer. I really wanted to see this guy succeed here, but he managed to undermine that every chance he got.
I do not dispute the premise about Bortles being a coach killer.
I am concerned, however, about the number of his victims. Three coaches?
Maybe I need coffee, but I count two head coaches (Bradley and possibly Marrone) and maybe three OCs (Fisch, Olsen, Hackett).
Am I missing a head coach?
No one can make excuses for Bortles he needed to play better, but ....
Bradley should have never got a chance to be a head coach.....he was flat horrible. Only the Jags would have made him a head coach....
And looking at the resumes for Jedd Fisch and Greg Olson......those were the only OCs that Bradley could get.....or the only ones that would take the job
Using that coach and OCs for the argument is really weak....
It always comes back to, do the coaches get enough out of the players they have on the team.
Last year, yes. This year no, but injuries and egos (players) were a major issue
Correctly evaluating Kessler: He trash.
/thread lol
(12-17-2018, 09:31 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 08:47 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I was dismayed that the bib brigade got their way and Kessler was inserted into the lineup at first. However I now see it was the correct move, it's quite likely Bortles would have scored more than one garbage time touchdown in the last three games and led the team to a win somehow, screwing up the draft position.
Kessler is doing what needs to be done, making the offense completely inept and making sure the Jaguars have their best shot at a QB in the draft.
I'm just disappointed the team also got rid of Hackett, he was not the problem.
I think Kessler getting the starting gig was less about playing the best option to win as it is to stop playing a guy who has clearly failed to live up to any expectations. When they fired Hackett, they were waving the white flag on the Bortles experiment. Starting Kessler was nothing more than finally admitting they missed on Bortles. My suspicion is that Marrone might have pulled the plug on that sooner, but he unfortunately had to deal with Caldwell. I think the benching of Bortles signaled to anyone paying attention that not only is Bortles done in Jacksonville, but so is the guy who drafted him. Bortles may still be the best option to win, but at this point, winning does nothing to help this team. When the dust settles, Bortles may be the reason for multiple offensive coordinators, and possibly 3 head coaches being dumped.
Who was the 3rd head coach? Gus was here when we drafted Blake and Marone is the only other one and both suck. Might not be Blakes problem Might be he just had terrible coaches.
(12-17-2018, 12:01 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 09:31 AM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]I think Kessler getting the starting gig was less about playing the best option to win as it is to stop playing a guy who has clearly failed to live up to any expectations. When they fired Hackett, they were waving the white flag on the Bortles experiment. Starting Kessler was nothing more than finally admitting they missed on Bortles. My suspicion is that Marrone might have pulled the plug on that sooner, but he unfortunately had to deal with Caldwell. I think the benching of Bortles signaled to anyone paying attention that not only is Bortles done in Jacksonville, but so is the guy who drafted him. Bortles may still be the best option to win, but at this point, winning does nothing to help this team. When the dust settles, Bortles may be the reason for multiple offensive coordinators, and possibly 3 head coaches being dumped.
Who was the 3rd head coach? Gus was here when we drafted Blake and Marone is the only other one and both suck. Might not be Blakes problem Might be he just had terrible coaches.
Great points as usual.
We should keep Blake next year because it's not his fault he's terrible. It's the coaches. Blake2019
(12-17-2018, 12:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 12:01 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Who was the 3rd head coach? Gus was here when we drafted Blake and Marone is the only other one and both suck. Might not be Blakes problem Might be he just had terrible coaches.
Great points as usual.
We should keep Blake next year because it's not his fault he's terrible. It's the coaches. Blake2019
well i would keep him cause i think he was one bad whistle and some suspect cowerdly coaching from being a SB winning QB. But lets put aside my biase.
I would keep him for next year because its win win. If he returns to 2017 form and imporves and we win the SB or at least make it back to the AFCCG. We sell out with draft picks to move up and get Fromm in 2020. And if he plays like you think he is trash and we end up picking first We take Fromm in 2020. I would hate to miss on the next Great QB because we became so desperate to win we drafted a QB a year early that wont amount to being any better then blake. There is no FA we can afford out there.
(12-17-2018, 12:11 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 12:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Great points as usual.
We should keep Blake next year because it's not his fault he's terrible. It's the coaches. Blake2019
well i would keep him cause i think he was one bad whistle and some suspect cowerdly coaching from being a SB winning QB. But lets put aside my biase.
I would keep him for next year because its win win. If he returns to 2017 form and imporves and we win the SB or at least make it back to the AFCCG. We sell out with draft picks to move up and get Fromm in 2020. And if he plays like you think he is trash and we end up picking first We take Fromm in 2020. I would hate to miss on the next Great QB because we became so desperate to win we drafted a QB a year early that wont amount to being any better then blake. There is no FA we can afford out there.
It's not a win win situation. What are you talking about? How in the world do you plan to move up to #1 from 29 or 32?! Why are we banking on Fromm? I'm not sure he's a better prospect than Haskins or Herbert.
I can't believe you're still on the Blake train. It must be lonely being the only passenger.
None of it will matter until we get a coach that has the intelligence to change what he's doing when it isn't working.
Talk about hammering a square peg into a round hole and then looking to blame everyone else for it not working.
I read somewhere the redskins were like 0-20 when trailing at halftime and that was another streak we allowed to break on us. AT this point the higher we pick in the draft the better.
(12-17-2018, 12:11 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2018, 12:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Great points as usual.
We should keep Blake next year because it's not his fault he's terrible. It's the coaches. Blake2019
well i would keep him cause i think he was one bad whistle and some suspect cowerdly coaching from being a SB winning QB. But lets put aside my biase.
I would keep him for next year because its win win. If he returns to 2017 form and imporves and we win the SB or at least make it back to the AFCCG. We sell out with draft picks to move up and get Fromm in 2020. And if he plays like you think he is trash and we end up picking first We take Fromm in 2020. I would hate to miss on the next Great QB because we became so desperate to win we drafted a QB a year early that wont amount to being any better then blake. There is no FA we can afford out there.
I can't possibly imagine after this season that we do not draft SOMEBODY this year. Holding out till 2020 will get the rest of the staff and FO fired, for certain. The person we draft may not start, but taking zero action to address the situation may result in fanbase riots.
We can afford FA, but they are going to be Kessler-level FA.
Kessler is worse than tebow.