(01-01-2019, 04:28 PM)i nate Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 01:45 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I think last year was the perfect scenario for him. Great defense and an offense willing to give him the ball 25 times a game sometimes.
Although I agree his main problem is between his earsh, I’m not that impressed with his talent. He’s not without talent obviously, but I don’t think he’s near the level of a Barkley Elliot or Gurley. Above average size/speed but below average Vision. I think he’s an average back. Combine that with his apparent attitude problems and he’s not worth that much. He can go for all I care.
Look......it is not ideal for any running back to play against a stacked box with little to no receiving threats, from the WR's or TE.
27 has been disappointing this year, but it is ridiculous to act like he isn't talented.
Hell, Gurley was thought of as a bust after his 2nd year with 3.2 a carry due to coaching and scheme.
I bet they are happy they didn't dump him after getting rid of Fisher and that scheme.
this 100%
gurley got a line.. they went and got whitemore from bengals and someone else and became dominant
LF isn’t kamara or cmc
he might be good though
Using a highlight video to try to make a point is a really good way to not make a point.
(01-01-2019, 07:04 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Using a highlight video to try to make a point is a really good way to not make a point.
We get it you hate Fournette. Wahhhhhh.
Those plays or "highlights" were multiple examples og him doing things and showing traits that people said he couldnt do or didnt possess. The man is talented, whether or not you like him lol.
(01-01-2019, 04:28 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 01:45 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I think last year was the perfect scenario for him. Great defense and an offense willing to give him the ball 25 times a game sometimes.
Although I agree his main problem is between his ears, I’m not that impressed with his talent. He’s not without talent obviously, but I don’t think he’s near the level of a Barkley Elliot or Gurley. Above average size/speed but below average Vision. I think he’s an average back. Combine that with his apparent attitude problems and he’s not worth that much. He can go for all I care.
Look......it is not ideal for any running back to play against a stacked box with little to no receiving threats, from the WR's or TE.
27 has been disappointing this year, but it is ridiculous to act like he isn't talented.
Hell, Gurley was thought of as a bust after his 2nd year with 3.2 a carry due to coaching and scheme.
I bet they are happy they didn't dump him after getting rid of Fisher and that scheme.
The only thing Fournette has going for him is that he's big and fast.
Gurley's rookie year included 1,100 yards, 10 TDs, and a 4.8 YPC... in starting only 12 games! Gurley's sophomore year was the exception, and Fournette's was the standard. I'm usually one to give the wait-and-see approach, but I'm comfortable including Fournette in the bust category.
(01-01-2019, 09:18 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 07:04 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Using a highlight video to try to make a point is a really good way to not make a point.
We get it you hate Fournette. Wahhhhhh.
Those plays or "highlights" were multiple examples og him doing things and showing traits that people said he couldnt do or didnt possess. The man is talented, whether or not you like him lol.
No one said he hasn't demonstrated those qualities, but any starting RB in the league will demonstrate them given enough carries.
There's a reason Fournette is at the bottom of the league when it comes to breakout runs.
(01-02-2019, 12:54 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 04:28 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]Look......it is not ideal for any running back to play against a stacked box with little to no receiving threats, from the WR's or TE.
27 has been disappointing this year, but it is ridiculous to act like he isn't talented.
Hell, Gurley was thought of as a bust after his 2nd year with 3.2 a carry due to coaching and scheme.
I bet they are happy they didn't dump him after getting rid of Fisher and that scheme.
The only thing Fournette has going for him is that he's big and fast.
Gurley's rookie year included 1,100 yards, 10 TDs, and a 4.8 YPC... in starting only 12 games! Gurley's sophomore year was the exception, and Fournette's was the standard. I'm usually one to give the wait-and-see approach, but I'm comfortable including Fournette in the bust category.
(01-01-2019, 09:18 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]We get it you hate Fournette. Wahhhhhh.
Those plays or "highlights" were multiple examples og him doing things and showing traits that people said he couldnt do or didnt possess. The man is talented, whether or not you like him lol.
No one said he hasn't demonstrated those qualities, but any starting RB in the league will demonstrate them given enough carries.
There's a reason Fournette is at the bottom of the league when it comes to breakout runs.
Lol, 1 year creates the "standard" for 1 guy but not the other, nice analysis.
(01-01-2019, 04:28 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 01:45 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I think last year was the perfect scenario for him. Great defense and an offense willing to give him the ball 25 times a game sometimes.
Although I agree his main problem is between his ears, I’m not that impressed with his talent. He’s not without talent obviously, but I don’t think he’s near the level of a Barkley Elliot or Gurley. Above average size/speed but below average Vision. I think he’s an average back. Combine that with his apparent attitude problems and he’s not worth that much. He can go for all I care.
Look......it is not ideal for any running back to play against a stacked box with little to no receiving threats, from the WR's or TE.
27 has been disappointing this year, but it is ridiculous to act like he isn't talented.
Hell, Gurley was thought of as a bust after his 2nd year with 3.2 a carry due to coaching and scheme.
I bet they are happy they didn't dump him after getting rid of Fisher and that scheme.
They have voided his guarantees. Fournette already has a motivation issue and now we are to expect he's going to be extra motivated to play for the Jags after they took away his money?
He's most likely done here.
I've been an outspoken detractor of the pick since pre-draft - but I'm also one that thinks Fournette isn't a bust. I think he can still be productive behind an above average line.
Unfortunately for the team that blew a very valuable pick on him - it appears his personality and lack of professionalism may have worn out his welcome prematurely. He's clearly in the doghouse in Jax.
He appears to be one of those not-so-uncommon young athletes that has bought in to his own hype and holds himself in higher regard than his team and coaches. There seems to be a young sub-set of players in the NFL that think they can affect change in the building as if they were premier NBA players.
That model is never going to work for a sport with 22 starters and 53 on a roster. You might have 4 or 5 teams who involve their super-star QB in a discussion or two about structuring offensive staff and scheme, but that's as far as it will go. Second year, oft-injured running backs aren't afforded special treatment and don't get to rack up suspensions without consequence.
I'd love to see the young man get his head right and be an integral part of a RB rotation in Jax next year. But if he fails to impress his willingness to commit to a team first philosophy to coaches - and they can package him to improve draft stock or move him for something of value - I'll certainly understand why.
(01-02-2019, 10:30 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've been an outspoken detractor of the pick since pre-draft - but I'm also one that thinks Fournette isn't a bust. I think he can still be productive behind an above average line.
Unfortunately for the team that blew a very valuable pick on him - it appears his personality and lack of professionalism may have worn out his welcome prematurely. He's clearly in the doghouse in Jax.
He appears to be one of those not-so-uncommon young athletes that has bought in to his own hype and holds himself in higher regard than his team and coaches. There seems to be a young sub-set of players in the NFL that think they can affect change in the building as if they were premier NBA players.
That model is never going to work for a sport with 22 starters and 53 on a roster. You might have 4 or 5 teams who involve their super-star QB in a discussion or two about structuring offensive staff and scheme, but that's as far as it will go. Second year, oft-injured running backs aren't afforded special treatment and don't get to rack up suspensions without consequence.
I'd love to see the young man get his head right and be an integral part of a RB rotation in Jax next year. But if he fails to impress his willingness to commit to a team first philosophy to coaches - and they can package him to improve draft stock or move him for something of value - I'll certainly understand why.
You make some good points, I agree that players are looking at the NBA and think they can get the mega contracts. The bit they seem to miss is the season or two of performances that earn the mega contract.
It's the dilemma with Fournette. Take the Pittsburgh game in the playoffs, he was fantastic and really helped the O. He was good for 5yds most carries. I don't know what happened this season, something was off from week 1 and he never got going this season. Add the off the field stuff and the Buffalo ejection and he's like the rest of the team, do you judge his good season or last season?
He really needs to mature and have some goal in football other than money. We've seen RB's look a bust one place to hit somewhere else (Lynch). I wouldn't get rid of him for anything, we need a run game next season but if someone offered something crazy.. ..
I get worried how many young players we have that take these wrong paths.
(01-01-2019, 09:18 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 07:04 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Using a highlight video to try to make a point is a really good way to not make a point.
We get it you hate Fournette. Wahhhhhh.
Those plays or "highlights" were multiple examples og him doing things and showing traits that people said he couldnt do or didnt possess. The man is talented, whether or not you like him lol.
Find me a clip of LF trucking a player without also falling down, there are none - zero contact balance.
Find me a clip of LF making a player miss with lateral agility, there are none because he has none.
He's talented, sure. Just like every single NFL player. But he's not special.
(01-02-2019, 06:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 12:54 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing Fournette has going for him is that he's big and fast.
Gurley's rookie year included 1,100 yards, 10 TDs, and a 4.8 YPC... in starting only 12 games! Gurley's sophomore year was the exception, and Fournette's was the standard. I'm usually one to give the wait-and-see approach, but I'm comfortable including Fournette in the bust category.
No one said he hasn't demonstrated those qualities, but any starting RB in the league will demonstrate them given enough carries.
There's a reason Fournette is at the bottom of the league when it comes to breakout runs.
Lol, 1 year creates the "standard" for 1 guy but not the other, nice analysis.
This year matches last year. His second matches his first. Since I was replying to a post that implied Gurley’s sophomore year was similar to Fournette’s, I’m pointing out how his sophomore year is the same as his freshman year.
It’s his standard.
What concerns me about their attitude after the bench issue is that I haven't seen one apology from either. The immaturity seems to fit.
According to Mark Long he was out of shape coming into the season. Late for meetings or on his cell phone during them. Late for treatment. BB had to tell him every time where he was to line up and what the play was. This is someone not taking his football serious too worried about himself and not the team.
(01-02-2019, 01:48 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]According to Mark Long he was out of shape coming into the season. Late for meetings or on his cell phone during them. Late for treatment. BB had to tell him every time where he was to line up and what the play was. This is someone not taking his football serious too worried about himself and not the team.
You need to provide a link to this.
I've seen nothing to support that and several articles stating the opposite.
The reports I read were that his conditioning suffered post injury but that he was in great shape when he reported to camp.
(01-02-2019, 01:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 01:48 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]According to Mark Long he was out of shape coming into the season. Late for meetings or on his cell phone during them. Late for treatment. BB had to tell him every time where he was to line up and what the play was. This is someone not taking his football serious too worried about himself and not the team.
You need to provide a link to this.
I've seen nothing to support that and several articles stating the opposite.
The reports I read were that his conditioning suffered post injury but that he was in great shape when he reported to camp.
I don't think I've ever seen a team official say he was in great shape.
I saw that Leonard Fournette touted that he was in great shape - but he's a liar.
(01-02-2019, 01:48 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]According to Mark Long he was out of shape coming into the season. Late for meetings or on his cell phone during them. Late for treatment. BB had to tell him every time where he was to line up and what the play was. This is someone not taking his football serious too worried about himself and not the team.
No wonder Fournette had a bad year. He was being told to be the wrong place every play by Blake.
(01-02-2019, 12:33 PM)shadowjag01 Wrote: [ -> ]What concerns me about their attitude after the bench issue is that I haven't seen one apology from either. The immaturity seems to fit.
He apologized on Instagram and hasn't posted since.
I'd bet there's a lot more drama behind the scenes than we realize. Maybe someone has talked to him?
(01-02-2019, 01:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 01:48 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]According to Mark Long he was out of shape coming into the season. Late for meetings or on his cell phone during them. Late for treatment. BB had to tell him every time where he was to line up and what the play was. This is someone not taking his football serious too worried about himself and not the team.
You need to provide a link to this.
I've seen nothing to support that and several articles stating the opposite.
The reports I read were that his conditioning suffered post injury but that he was in great shape when he reported to camp.
It was a audio clip leading into the lunch time 1010xl show today when i went to get lunch ill see if they have it on thier website.
Looks like you have to wait unntill the show is done before they post iot on the website